Lurkers: Why the Watchtower REALLY Opposes Holidays

by metatron 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • metatron
    metatron

    No doubt many of you used to wonder why so many potential Jehovah's Witnesses had a problem with dropping the celebration of holidays,

    especially Christmas. I can recall some publishers wondering aloud why their Bible Studies were ready to swallow Watchtower doctrines

    hook, line and sinker - but didn't want to lose Christmas. As with other matters related to the organization, the answer is so simple that

    you'll feel stupid when you realize what's really going on - and here it is:

    The rejection of holiday celebrations are the primary, practical means for maintaining this cult - and the key to getting

    someone to leave their friends and families behind, to become a willing thrall/zombie in obedience to Watchtower

    control.

    Think about real, ordinary life for most of the people that the Watchtower preys upon: Joe Publisher is overworked and scarcely

    takes any vacation time off. His wife works to help pay the mortgage. The kids have school and part time jobs. When do they

    ever get any time to visit Grandpaw NonWitness?

    Christmas! (or other holidays). But no! WE CAN'T CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS!

    ................ and the rest of this sad story follows the Harry Chapin song, "Cats in the Cradle"!

    Ever notice how utterly bogus the arguments against these celebrations are? Paganism? Does the Watchtower Society use

    a (pagan) calendar? Do they refer to the days of the week by their pagan names? ( Thors' day?) Do the Watchtower hypocrites

    object to accumulating millions of pieces of paper with occult symbols on them? ( hint: look at the back of the US dollar)

    In the second half of the Twentieth century, they added birthdays and Thanksgiving to the prohibited list, for good measure.

    Why take any chances when you can easily deepen the chasm between publishers and their non-Witness families?

    More than that, you can even prevent attachments with OTHER WITNESSES by ceaselessly condemning "socializing"

    and "get-togethers". This works well if your purpose is absolute control - and the disappearance of Witness

    "friendships" , as based on MEETING ATTENDANCE. How handy to have, just in case you have to disfellowship

    someone suddenly - and have all the willing thralls obey!

    When I call the Watchtower a "sick" organization, I'm not kidding around. They have carefully evolved their system of control over many

    decades and they're not about to let go of it - or their "zombies"!

    The rejection of holiday celebrations is a tactic to separate people from their friends and family - and get control over them

    by directing them thereafter to "association" within the "truth" to fill the vacuum. After that, they're hooked.

    metatron ( Merry Christmas to All!)

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    I think they do it to:

    *Identify loyalty. Loyalty is extremely hard for a high control group to measure.

    *Isolate members. An Isolated member is a controllable member.

    *Add cost. Perception is high cost = high value.


  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Metron,

    Your absolutely right! And I invite, and encourage all of you who are lurking, to examine some of the things Witnesses use or participate in that also have roots in paganism, like what Metron mentioned. Even take weddings. You will be shocked if you google wedding customs and paganism. I did and below is what I found. So if some things are bad, then why not get rid of everything with a pagan background. How can you pick and choose? Holidays are no different..check out the pinada explanation in the watchtower..why is it ok and a conscience matter to use one at a party, when it had and still is used in pagan or religious events?? It just doesn't make sence. Metron was correct in saying, that it is simply a way for JWs to be different. And that is all it is.

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

    http://www.weddingguide.co.uk/articles/planning/traditions.asp#The%20Wedding%20Cake

    Wedding Traditions
    Either scroll down the page to read the complete article or click on any of the hyperlinks below to go direct to the section you are interested in.
    IntroductionThrowing confetti
    Something old, new, borrowed and blueWedding favours
    ...and a silver sixpence in your shoeShoes and weddings
    The wedding veilThe meaning of "Bride"
    Carrying the bride over the thresholdBridesmaids and ushers
    Third finger, left handThe meaning of "Wedlock"
    Bridal flowers and their meaningWhen to marry
    Why the bride stands on the leftWelsh love spoons
    First on the dance floorThe wedding cake
    Leap year proposals

    IntroductionIncorporating wedding traditions in your wedding day is a wonderful and fun way of celebrating and recognising the historical importance of marriage within a modern context. Listed below are many of the traditions that are still popular throughout the United Kingdom today. As we stumble across more while we research our articles, we will add them to our list. We should add that we have come across several explanations for most traditions during our research and have documented here the most frequently occurring. Also, many of the traditions date back many hundreds of years and consequently their origins are not fully known although most have their roots in ancient superstitious beliefs. So, if you read other explanations elsewhere, don't be surprised since there are many about and they all sound plausible.

    Something old, new, borrowed and blue...The full wording of this popular bridal attire rhyme, which dates back to the Victorian times is 'something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a silver sixpence in your shoe.' Something old refers to wearing something that represents a link with the bride's family and her old life. Usually, the bride wears a piece of family jewellery or maybe her mother's or grandmother's wedding dress.

    Wearing something new represents good fortune and success in the bride's new life. The bride's wedding dress is usually chosen, if purchased new, but it can be any other new item of the bride's wedding attire.

    Wearing something borrowed, which has already been worn by a happy bride at her wedding, is meant to bring good luck to the marriage. Something borrowed could be an item of bridal clothing, a handkerchief or an item of jewellery.

    Wearing something blue dates back to biblical times when the colour blue was considered to represent purity and fidelity. Over time this has evolved from wearing a blue clothing to wearing a blue band around the bottom of the bride's dress and to modern times where the bride wears a blue or blue-trimmed garter.


    ...and a silver sixpence in your shoePlacing a silver sixpence in the bride's left shoe is a symbol of wealth. This is not just to bring the bride financial wealth but also a wealth of happiness and joy throughout her married life. Why not treat yourself to a real silver sixpence from our online store?The wedding veilThe origin of the wedding veil is unclear but it is thought that it predates the wedding dress by centuries. One explanation is that it is a relic of the days when a groom would throw a blanket over the head of the woman of his choice when he captured her and carted her off. Another explanation is that during the times of arranged marriages, the bride's face was covered until the groom was committed to her at the ceremony - so it would be too late for him to run off if he didn't like the look of her! It is also thought that the veil was worn to protect the bride from evil spirits that would be floating around on her wedding day.

    These origins have all evolved into the tradition that the veil covers the bride's face throughout the ceremony until the minister pronounces the couple man and wife - although today, the veil is often lifted by the bride's father when the bride arrives at the alter.


    Carrying the bride over the thresholdThere seems to be two explanations for this tradition where the groom carries his bride over the threshold when entering their home as a married couple for the first time. The first is to protect the bride from evil spirits that were thought to be lying in wait under the threshold. The second explanation relates to Roman times when it was believed that if the bride stumbled when entering the newlywed's home for the first time, it would bring bad luck and harm to their marriage. So carrying the bride across the threshold would prevent this from happening (although we haven't established the likely outcome to the marriage if the groom stumbled while carrying the bride!).

    Third finger, left handA bride's engagement ring and wedding ring are traditionally worn on the third finger of the left hand (the finger next to your little finger). Although there is no precise evidence to explain the origin of this tradition, there are two strongly held beliefs. The first, dating back to the 17th century, is that during a Christian wedding the priest arrived at the forth finger (counting the thumb) after touching the three fingers on the left hand '...in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost'. The second belief refers to an Egyptian belief that the ring finger follows the vena amoris, that is, the vein of love that runs directly to the heart.

    Bridal flowers and their meaningThe carrying of flowers by the bride has its roots in ancient times when it was believed that strong smelling herbs and spices would ward off and drive away evil spirits, bad luck and ill health. Garlic and chives were also popular for the same reason. During Roman times, this tradition was extended, with the bride and groom wearing floral garlands signifying new life and hope for fertility. The bouquet in particular symbolised a women in bloom. During Victorian times, flowers took on an additional significance as lovers would send messages to each other using different flowers, with each flower having its own meaning. These associations were soon adopted for the bride's bouquet and are still used today by many brides. The most popular flowers with their traditional meanings are:
    • Apple Blossom - Better things to come
    • Camelia - Graditude
    • Carnation - Fascination and love
    • Chrysanthemum - Red - I love you
    • Chrysanthemum - White - Truth
    • Cyclamen - Modesty and shyness
    • Daffodil - Regard
    • Daisy - Innocence
    • Fern - Fascination and sincerity
    • Flowering Almond - Hope
    • Forget-me-not - True love and remembrance
    • Heliotrope - Devotion and faithfulness
    • Honeysuckle - Generosity
    • Hyacinth - Loveliness
    • Hydrangea - Boastfulness
    • Iris - Warmth of affection
    • Ivy - Eternal fidelity
    • Japonica - Loveliness
    • Jasmine - Amiability
    • Lemon Blossom - Fidelity in love
    • Lilac (white) - Youthful innocence
    • Lily - Majesty
    • Lily-of-the-valley - Return of happiness
    • Magnolia - Perseverance
    • Maidenhair - Discretion
    • Mimosa - Sensitivity
    • Orange Blossom - Purity and virginity
    • Peach Blossom - Captive
    • Rose (red) - Love
    • Rose (yellow) - Friendship
    • Rose (coral) - Desire
    • Rose (peach) - Modesty
    • Rose (dark pink) - Thankfulness
    • Rose (pale pink) - Grace
    • Rose (orange) - Fascination
    • Rose (white) - Innocence
    • Rosemary - Remembrance
    • Snowdrop - Hope
    • Sweet Pea - Delicate pleasures
    • Tulip - Love
    • Veronica - Fidelity
    • Violet - Faithfulness

    Why the bride stands on the leftDuring the marriage ceremony, the bride stands on the left and the groom on the right. The origin of this goes back to the days when a groom would capture his bride by kidnapping her. If the groom had to fight off other men who also wanted her as their bride, he would hold his bride-to-be with his left hand allowing his right hand to be free to use his sword.

    First on the dance floorAt the evening celebrations, the bride and groom traditionally dance first on their own to a waltz. However, as ballroom dancing is not so popular these days, the newlyweds usually dance to a favourite romantic song. During the playing of this song, it is traditional for the groom to dance with his new mother-in-law and then with his mother, while the bride dances with her new father-in-law and then with her father. The best man also joins in dancing with the chief bridesmaid and the ushers with the other bridesmaids when the bride and groom first change. After the first dance, all the guests are invited to join the newlyweds on the dance floor. Please read our related article Music For Your Wedding

    Leap year proposalsThe right of every women to propose on 29th February each leap year, goes back many hundreds of years to when the leap year day had no recognition in English law (the day was 'lept over' and ignored, hence the term 'leap year'). It was considered, therefore, that as the day had no legal status, it was reasonable to assume that traditions also had no status. Consequently, women who were concerned about being 'left on the shelf' took advantage of this anomoly and proposed to the man they wished to marry.It was also thought that since the leap year day corrected the discrepancy between the calendar year of 365 days and the time taken for the Earth to complete one orbit of the sun (365 days and 6 hours), it was an opportunity for women to correct a tradition that was one-sided and unjust. For those wishing to take advantage of this ancient tradition, you will only have to wait until Sunday 29th February 2004.

    Throwing confettiThe origin of throwing confetti over newly weds predated Christ since it originates from the ancient Pagan rite of showering the happy couple with grain to wish upon them a 'fruitful' union. Pagans believed that the fertility of the seeds would be transferred to the couple on whom they fell. The throwing of rice has the same symbolic meaning. The word confetti has the same root as the word 'confectionery' in Italian and was used to describe 'sweetmeats' that is, grain and nuts coated in sugar that were thrown over newly weds for the same Pagan reason. In recent years, small pieces of coloured paper have replaced sweetmeats, grain and nuts as an inexpensive substitute but the use of the word confetti has remained. Confetti is now available in a wide range of colours and designs to match you wedding theme. Despite the longevity of this tradition, it is on the verge of extinction because the throwing of confetti is not permitted at most register offices and churches due to the mess it makes. However, the tradition may survive with the recent introduction of wedding bubbles, which provides an environmentally safe alternative.

    Wedding favoursThe tradition of giving your guests something to remember the day by in the form of favours has been around for hundreds of years. Today, the tradition has evolved to giving each guest five sugar coated almonds to symbolise health, wealth, fertility, happiness and long-life. However, during the late 19th century at high society weddings, guests could expect to receive favours such as scarves, garters and gloves. Looking back further, an article in the Caldwell Papers (Scotland) dated 1750, reports:

    "The bride's favours are sewn on her gown from top to bottom, and round the neck and sleeves. The moment the wedding ceremony was performed the whole company ran to her and pulled off the favours; in an instant she was stripped of all of them. The bride's mother then came in with a basket of favours belonging to the bridegroom; those and the bride's were the same, with the livery's of their families, hers pink and white, his gold and blue colour."

    But why almonds? It appears that the association of almonds with love goes back to Greek legend with the story of a young man called Demophon, who met and fell in love with a Tracian princess, Phyllis. However, before the marriage ceremony could take place Demophon is informed that his father has died in Athens and he must return for the funeral. He promises to return by a certain date but errs on the time it will take him and does not return until three months later. By this time Phyllis is convinced that she will never see her lover again and hanged herself. The Gods, touched by her love, transform her into an almond tree. The grief stricken Demophon offered a sacrifice to the almond tree, declaring his undying love. In response, the almond tree blossomed. Impetuous youth and undying love were thus symbolised by the almond. Also, in his writings on natural history in 77AD, Pliny advised that eating five almonds would prevent drunkenness, therefore maybe the giving of the five almonds to wedding guests was to ensure that celebrations did not get out of hand.

    Shoes and weddingsThe tradition of tying shoes to the bumper of the newly wed's car has various believed origins ranging from the times of marriage by capture, with the bride's father throwing his shoe in anger at the escaping groom and his stolen bride to the notion that leather had the quality to protect against evil spirits and the tying of shoes to the back of the newly wed's transport would deter them from interference. Another belief is that shoes symbolise fertility (hence why Mother Goose's little old woman lived in a shoe).

    The exchange or throwing of shoes once symbolised the fulfilment of a bargain, which, in the case of marriage, transferred the father's authority over the bride to her new husband. The Bride's father would give the groom one of her old shoes and the groom would tap the bride over the head with it, symbolising the acceptance of his new authority.

    It was also considered to bring good luck to the bride and groom if their guests threw shoes at them, although one can only hope that their aims weren't too accurate. If the bride throws her shoe, it was thought that the one to catch it would be the next to marry, rather like the throwing of the bouquet. Finally, it was also considered lucky to get married in a pair of old shoes.


    The meaning of "Bride"The word bride comes from old English being a name for 'cook', which explains a lot! While groom originated from 'male child' , it would be logically to think that bridegroom meant male cook. But it does not. Instead, bridegroom is a Germanic word meaning exactly what is appears to mean - simply, the man who is marrying the bride.

    Bridesmaids and ushersBridesmaids and ushers originate from the Roman law that demanded ten witnesses be present at a wedding in order to dupe evil spirits who were believed to attend marriages with the view to causing mischief and disharmony. The bridesmaids and ushers all dressed in identical clothing to the bride and groom so that the evil spirits wouldn't know who was getting married. This explanation ties in with the bride's veil being an anti evil spirit device!

    The meaning of "Wedlock"Wed is from old English (wedd) and old Scottish (wad) both meaning to pledge. Lock is old English (lac) and means carrying out an action. Therefore, the meaning of wedlock originally meant pledging property to the bride's father as payment for his daughter. Today, wedlock simply means the married state especially in the phrase born in wedlock or born out of wedlock, meaning a legitimate or illegitimate birth.

    When to marryHere are two English rhyme that tells of your fate for marriages in each month:

    Married when the year is new,
    He'll be loving, kind and true.
    When February birds do mate
    You wed nor dread your fate.
    If you wed when March winds blow
    Joy and sorrow both you'll know.
    Marry in April when you can
    Joy for maiden and the man.
    Marry in the month of May
    And you'll surely rue the day.
    Marry when the June roses grow
    Over land and sea you'll go.
    Those who in July do wed
    Must labour for their daily bread.
    Whoever wed in August be,
    Many a change is sure to see.
    Marry in September's shine,
    Your living will be rich and fine.
    If in October you do marry
    Love will come, but riches tarry.
    If you wed in bleak November
    Only joys will come, remember
    When December's snows fall fast,
    Marry and true love will last.

    Married in January's roar and rime,
    Widowed you'll be before your prime.
    Married in February's sleepy weather,
    Life you'll tread in time together.
    Married when March winds shrill and roar,
    Your home will lie on a distant shore.
    Married 'neath April's changeful skies,
    A checkered path before you lies.
    Married when bees o'er May blossoms flit,
    Strangers around your board will sit.
    Married in month of roses June,
    Life will be one long honeymoon.
    Married in July with flowers ablaze,
    Bitter-sweet memories in after days.
    Married in August's heat and drowse,
    Lover and friend in your chosen spouse.
    Married in September's golden glow,
    Smooth and serene your life will go.
    Married when leaves in October thin,
    Toil and hardships for you begin.
    Married in veils of November mist,
    Fortune your wedding ring has kissed.
    Married in days of December's cheer,
    Love's star shines brighter from year to year.
    And here's what each day of the week brings you:
    Mondayfor wealth.
    Tuesdayfor health.
    Wednesdaythe best day of all.
    Thursdayfor losses.
    Fridayfor crosses.
    Saturdayfor no luck at all.
    Finally, the proverb "Prosperity to the man and happiness to the maid when married in June" comes from the ancient Romans. The month of June was named after Juno, the Queen of the Gods and the Goddess of women who was also seen as the protector of married life. The Romans believed that she blessed marriages that took place in her month.

    Welsh love spoonsAccording to Welsh custom an admirer indicated his desire to woo a girl by carving her a wooden love spoon, from which the words spooning originated, meaning to act amorously, and spooned which means a sentimental lover. Designs could be elaborate and were full of symbolism with various shapes having different meanings:
    HeartI love you .
    KeyYou hold the key to my heart.
    WheelI plan to work hard for you.
    BellLet's get married.
    Links or beadsThe number utilised in the spoon indicates the desired number of children.

    Other Welsh customs include the bride removing a pin from her dress and throwing it over her shoulder as insurance for a happy marriage and another calls for the relatives of the bride to kidnap her on her arrival at church. The groom and his relatives then give chase with the end result being that whoever catches the bride will wed within the year.

    The wedding cakeThe wedding cake has a rich symbolic history of its own that is relatively forgotten today. The ancient Greeks threw cakes at the newly married couple, just as we throw confetti today. In Roman times, at the marriages of the upper classes, cakes made of flour, salt and water would firstly be shared by the bride and groom, which was thought to promise the couple a life of plenty, in both children and happiness. The remainder was then broken over the bride's head. The guests, believing they would share in the blessing it symbolised, would rush forward to procure a morsel for themselves. Furthermore, it was only the children born to a marriage sanctified in this way that qualified for the high sacred offices in Roman life, hence, not only did the cake provide the couple with future fertility, but also it promised their yet unconceived children with a propitious future.

    A huge basket of dried biscuits was provided at the wedding ceremonies of the early Anglo Saxons where the guests would take one each and the remainder was shared amongst the poor. However, in later times the wedding guests would bring their own cakes, often spiced buns, which were piled into a huge mound. It was deemed to be good fortune if the bride and groom were able to kiss each other over the mountain of cakes, promising them life-long happiness and good fortune. Legend suggests that at about the time of King Charles II (1630-1685) a French chef, observing the tedious way that all the small cakes were piled on top of each other suggested icing the mound into one mass, out of which grew the traditional French celebration cake called the croquembouche. The many tiered, elaborately iced, traditional wedding cakes of today are based on the unusual shape of the spire of St Bride's church in London.

    In Victorian times, the tradition of breaking the cake over the bride's head was believed to promote fertility and unmarried girls would pass a piece of the cake through the bride's wedding ring and place it under their pillow believing that they would dream of their future husband. In more recent times the cutting of the cake, once the sole responsibility of the bride, was symbolic of the bride's pending loss of virginity, and even now the wedding cake is often still regarded as a symbol of fertility, and its distribution among the guests is symbolic of the sharing of happiness - sharing is regarded as an important feature of all religions, hence the tradition of sending a piece of cake to those unable to attend the ceremony.

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  • Little Bo Peep
    Little Bo Peep

    The Watchtower says they avoid the holidays because of their pagan origins, yet within the last few years, have published articles showing the pagan origins of the Pinata (9/22/03), Russian Blini cakes (12/22/05), and Wind Chimes (6/1/81), then shows why it wouldn't be wrong to use them today, since none of them are viewed in the same "pagan" light today. Very interesting logic, if you can call it logic!

    Peep

  • Abandoned
    Abandoned

    It's all about control. Think of the things in your life that you NEED to control. Isn't it the things you don't trust by themselves? If you trust something, you don't need to control it. I think the governing body feel the need to control the "faithful" because they are men devoid of trust. I'm not sure if their lack of trust is based on arrogance or if it's an emotional illness. Ray Franz in his book Crisis of Conscience, portrays intense arrogance so I kind of think that's the culprit.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Meta your thread is spot on as usual

    reprinted from the Mar/Apr 1990 Bethel Ministries Newsletter

    Eight Marks of a Mind-Control Cult

    by Randall Watters

    Brainwashing has become almost a household word in the last two decades or so. In 1961, Robert J. Lifton wrote the definitive book on the subject, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, after studying the effects of mind control on American prisoners of war under the Communist Chinese. Lifton outlines eight major factors that can be used to identify whether a group is a destructive cult or not. Any authoritarian religion should be held up to the light in order to determine just how destructive their influence is on their members. Judge for yourselves.

    Milieu Control

    "Milieu" is a French word meaning "surroundings; environment." Cults are able to control the environment around their recruits in a number of ways, but almost always using a form of isolation. Recruits can be physically separated from society, or they can be warned under threat of punishment to stay away from the world's educational media, especially when it might provoke critical thinking. Any books, movies or testimonies of ex-members of the group, or even anyone critical of the group in any way are to be avoided.

    Information is carefully kept on each recruit by the mother organization. All are watched, lest they fall behind or get too far ahead of the thinking of the organization. Because it appears that the organization knows so much about everything and everyone, they appear omniscient in the eyes of the recruits.

    Mystical Manipulation

    In religious cults, God is ever-present in the workings of the organization. If a person leaves for any reason, accidents or ill-will that may befall them are always attributed to God's punishment on them. For the faithful, the angels are always said to be working, and stories circulate about how God is truly doing marvelous things among them, because they are "the truth." The organization is therefore given a certain "mystique" that is quite alluring to the new recruit.

    Demand for Purity

    The world is depicted as black and white, with little room for making personal decisions based on a trained conscience. One's conduct is modeled after the ideology of the group, as taught in its literature. People and organizations are pictured as either good or evil, depending on their relationship to the cult.

    Universal tendencies of guilt and shame are used to control individuals, even after they leave. There is great difficulty in understanding the complexities of human morality, since everything is polarized and oversimplified. All things classified as evil are to be avoided, and purity is attainable through immersion into the cult's ideology.

    The Cult of Confession

    Serious sins (as defined by the organization) are to be confessed immediately. The members are to be reported if found walking contrary to the rules.

    There is often a tendency to derive pleasure from self-degradation through confession. This occurs when all must confess their sins before each other regularly, creating an intense kind of "oneness" within the group. It also allows leaders from within to exercise authority over the weaker ones, using their "sins" as a whip to lead them on.

    The "Sacred Science"

    The cult's ideology becomes the ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence. The ideology is too "sacred" to call into question, and a reverence is demanded for the leadership. The cult's ideology makes an exaggerated claim for possessing airtight logic, making it appear as absolute truth with no contradictions. Such an attractive system offers security.

    Loading the Language

    Lifton explains the prolific use of "thought-terminating cliches," expressions or words that are designed to end the conversation or controversy. We are all familiar with the use of the cliches "capitalist" and "imperialist," as used by antiwar demonstrators in the 60's. Such cliches are easily memorized and readily expressed. They are called the "language of non-thought," since the discussion is terminated, not allowing further consideration.

    In the Watchtower, for instance, expressions such as "the truth", the "mother organization", the "new system", "apostates" and "worldly" carry with them a judgment on outsiders, leaving them unworthy of further consideration.

    Doctrine Over Person

    Human experience is subordinated to doctrine, no matter how profound or contradictory such experiences seem. The history of the cult is altered to fit their doctrinal logic. The person is only valuable insomuch as they conform to the role models of the cult. Commonsense perceptions are disregarded if they are hostile to the cult's ideology.

    Dispensing of Existence

    The cult decides who has the "right" to exist and who does not. They decide who will perish in the final battle of good over evil. The leaders decide which history books are accurate and which are biased. Families can be cut off and outsiders can be deceived, for they are not fit to exist!


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  • Hecklerboy
    Hecklerboy

    My wife and I were just talking about this. I told her that if I was raised celebrating the holidays that my family would be much closer. Right now it's like were are aquaintences not family. When I go visit my family we sit and talk about trivial stuff for a couple of hours and that's it. When I visit my wife's family (which I celebrate the holidays with) we are very close and love being around each other.

    The Watchtower doesn't allow the celebration of holidays to keep familys apart and keep the member loyal to them instead.

  • ellderwho
    ellderwho

    These are all great points. In reality the rabbit hole goes even deeper. Just the thought, the mere simple thought of suggesting this to my mom, can be construed as tactics of Satan. These notions are easily "cut off at the pass" an veiwed as having no merit.

    Thats the kicker, theres such a lock on the mind its almost frightening. To see my mom, a grown respected women be humbled to a vegetive state though a concept of men, is sickening.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    If you can control someone's sex drive and their relationships with members of their family, then everything else is easy...

    Good comments so far!

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    I've often thought about this.

    The Society has not a SINGLE day in the year to celebrate ANYTHING. Yet, all the worldly holidays are the only days that people usually have off and usually get together with their families.

    The Watchtower says that we "give gifts anytime of the year" - yet, ASK a dub the LAST TIME they gave and received a WRAPPED GIFT and watch the look on their faces.

    It seems now, that the only time dubs gather together outside beatings, ass-emblies and cult-ventions are to celebrate a young high-school dub's graduation or a wedding.

    Since there's no reason to get together with non-dub families at ANY time of year, you end up feeling isolated when you finally do see them and realize that you have no shared history with them any longer.

    Watchtower is partially right that SOME holidays are pagan, such as Christmas and Easter, but they should leave thanksgiving, harvest festival, mother/father/grandmother days and birthdays well alone.

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