Does God expect the true religion to 100% right on everything?

by moshe 12 Replies latest jw friends

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  moshe

  Can you get by with only being 50% right, maybe 25% or even only 1% right? Just what is the cutoff for being approved or disapproved by God? I can't seem to find that number in the Bible, can you?

  I was looking at the JW tract they just distributed about, "The end of false religion is near", and I think that JW's have it all wrong, as usual. They imply that God will destroy anyone whose belief is not the the 100% right one, meaning , their JW beliefs.

  They quote Jesus at Matt 7:19, "Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire". Then they make a quantum leap and apply that to false religion and say, " Yes, false religion will be chopped down and destroyed--"! This scripture is not refering to a false religion, is it? - But to false phrophets and to their lack of good works.

  It would appear to a reasonable person that it is the JW's who lack the fine fruits and are false prophets- where are the JW soup kitchens, charities, orphanages,etc? What about 1914,1919,1925,1975,etc. THEY are the ones on shakey ground with God, not everyone else.

  Look at God's warning of destruction to Ninevah-Did God tell them to turn away from false religion or be destroyed?- NO- In Jonah chapter 3 it is written, the King of Ninenvah said, "Stop doing what is evil. Don't harm others. 9 Who knows? God might take pity on us. He might turn away from his burning anger. Then we won't die." --- God was concerned about their works, not beliefs. And their good works saved them from being destroyed.

  Maybe, mankind is not doing such a bad job after all, doing the will of God. JW's focus on the 10% that is wrong in the World , but I believe that God looks at the 90% that is right with us.

  peace,

  Moshe
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  tetrapod.sapien

  but I believe that God looks at the 90% that is right with us.

  of course! if we can be that enlightened, to understand that negativity is not even worth our time, then any supposed God would have this quality even more.

  then again, since we make our Gods in our image, it would stand to reason that you and i, moshe, are more evolved, memetically, than YHWH ever will be.

  tetra
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  megsmomma

  I thouroughly enjoy the way you reason on things Moshe. You are truely an asset to us apostates!! Too bad JW's can't reach into their minds to reason like that.

  Megs
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  OnTheWayOut

  You really are involved in too much independent thinking to have a clear understanding of the issues.
  Of course, imperfect sons of Adam will never be 100% right.
  The point is that, only those who are willing to follow God's organization, even when it is wrong, and
  then be willing to abandon their understanding when God's organization changes- will be saved.

  Any people can be reached with the good news of the kingdom, even Catholics, Protestants, Atheists,
  Muslems, Jews. But before the end (right around the corner) THEY MUST ADMIT THAT GOD HAS
  AN ORGANIZATION ON EARTH, and that it is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, because they
  are the only organization that admits their errors then changes them when they get a two-thirds majority
  of opinion on the matter. It is only this two-thirds majority opinion of spirit-directed men of God that matters.
  Good deed, feeding the homeless, shoeing the children, loving your neighbor, accepting Christ into your
  heart- all good- but if two-thirds of those men say that you must never speak to your own children or grand-
  parents and that you must not take a pedophile to the law without two witnesses to his raping you, then you
  must listen to them in order to achieve everlasting life (on earth, you clearly could never qualify for heaven).
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  Zico

  I agree Moshe! There's no suggestion in the bible that God's approved religion would be the one who is the closest to understanding the bible's doctrine, like the Society like to claim. True religion in the bible is identified by good works. God's true followers don't need to know who Babylon the Great is! They need to help and look after people!
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  frankiespeakin

  Does God expect the true religion to 100% right on everything?

  To think that there is a God who is all knowing and created everything in existance, that expects persons to get a 100% or 75% right on a bible quiz to get the reward of everlasting life is pure ridiculous fiction. That type of small minded thinking already puts those who are retarded, and mentally ill out of the race for life before they could even start.

  It is funny how so many religions teach you must beleive this way or else you get penalized by God. Or that if you don't beleive in our God or that Jesus is or isn't God you go to hell or lose in the game of getting everlasting life. It is all pure fiction and a tool to keep them comming to church or the KH.

  Why would some all powerful, all wise Being even be interested in what individual peole living on earth do or don't do? He is a lot like Santa Clause who keeps track of those who are naughty or nice and gives nice presents for those who are nice and caol in the stockings of those naughty.

  The earth is only a very very small part of the universe with its billions of galaxies. Clearly the God of the Bible is pure fiction that comes from the minds of people who once thought the earth was the center of everything and had no idea what planets where, or any idea of how vast the universe was. The God of the bible teaching only works on those with small minds.
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  Terry

  Imagine a giant corporation. Imagine the most powerful company in the world with fabulous power and wealth at its disposal.

  Now, imagine the CEO of that company fretting himself into a tailspin because his employees don't get his orders right.

  What would this CEO do? Would he go on fretting? Or, would he fire the incompetant workers and get better ones?

  Simple fact is no CEO would run a first rate company for very long the way God supposedly runs his religion business.

  A lousy CEO would, however.

  TRUE RELIGION would refelct the competency of the god it worships.

  Everywhere I look and see religions pretty much in the same delusional state mixed with fear and touchy-feeling well-wishes.

  Not a well run business in the lot of them.

  Catholic Church is bleeding arteries of money in pedophile lawsuits.

  The Mormon Church had its pet dogma about American Indians being from the lost tribes of Israel definitively disproved by DNA tests.

  JW's have had their noses rubbed in the vaporizing of key doctrines in flip-flops, and; internet exposed dogma has embarassed the leadership into becoming tyrannical.

  Baptists split over conservative elements railing against liberal elements.

  Evangelicals in mega churches pump out leaders who have moral meltdowns.

  Yadda yadda yadda.

  Any god worth the designation of SUPREME BEING would be a better and more efficient manager.

  Don't you think?
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  tetrapod.sapien

  hi onthewayout,

  You really are involved in too much independent thinking to have a clear understanding of the issues.

  Any people can be reached with the good news of the kingdom

  and i am reaching you with my good news, obtained by thinking independently about my own god-nature:

  YOU are a god too! and the kingdom is NOW, right here on earth, in it's current but ever evolving incarnations. seize the moment, and live in it! breathe it! the future doesn't exist, and promises about it are illusory!

  peace-out!

  tetra
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  OnTheWayOut

  seize the moment, and live in it! breathe it! the future doesn't exist, and promises about it are illusory!

  I agree. Putting my sarcasm aside, in order to seize the moment, I need to get my bitterness at the mind-control cult under control before seizing the moment. I do feel that many of us are wasting the moment on the computer. If we are truly released from the cult, then we would be able to walk away from the discussion ABOUT the cult. I am getting there. Thanks for the encouragement.
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  moshe

  yes, tetra- we are living in a paradise right now. And the more I study the universe, the more I see how special our situation is. Man has made the laws, modern society and provided for the poor and sick. It's not a bad life and as long as the rich don't get too greedy and cause a revolt it will continue on, or at least until an asteroid hits us.