Comments You Will Not Hear at the 9-24-06 WT Study (JOB AGAIN)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-24-06 WT Study (August 1, 2006, pages 21-25)(JOB AGAIN)

    Review comments will be in red

    WT material from today's WT will be in black

    Quotes from other sources will be in quotes boxes

    w = Watchtower

    g = Awake

    jv = Proclaimers book (various Bible translations online) (WT publications online) (child abuse) (blood issue) (United Nations issue)


    "Have you set your heart upon my servant Job, that there is no one like him in the earth, a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad?"

    -JOB 1:8.

    Opening Comments

    Another OT example?are there no good examples of Christians?

    The WTS thinks that external problems are driving the flock away from the KH. It wasn?t people outside the KH that were cruel to Job but his so-called friends and fellow believers. Do you think if Job lived today, that he would have been excused from meeting attendance because of his skin disease? Why is Job?s wife always the heavy?didn?t she lose her children, her material belongings, her physical relationship with her husband, and having her friends show up and tell her and her husband they must have done something wrong?


    Q1, 2) (a) What unexpected tragedies did Job experience? (b) Describe Job's life before the tragedies struck.

    1) There was a man who seemed to have everything-wealth, prestige, good health, and a happy family life. Then tragedy struck three times in quick succession. Overnight, he lost his wealth. Next, a freak storm took the lives of all his children. Soon thereafter, he contracted a debilitating disease that left his whole body covered with painful boils. You probably recognize that the man was Job, a key figure in the Bible book bearing his name. Job, chapters 1 and 2.

    Notice how they don?t mention that all these things happened to Job?s wife.

    2) "O that I were as in the lunar months of long ago," he groaned. (Job 3:3; 29:2) When calamity strikes, who does not long for the former days? In Job's case, he had lived a good life, seemingly sheltered from misfortune. Prominent people respected him and sought his counsel. (Job 29:5-11) He was wealthy, but he kept money in its proper place. (Job 31:24, 25, 28) When he encountered widows or orphans in need, he helped them. (Job 29:12-16) And he remained faithful to his wife. Job 31:1, 9,11.

    He lived a good life

    ? yes, why wasn?t he pioneering?


    ? meaning the WTS doesn?t know much about Job?s life prior to the Bible account, but they will guess.

    He kept his money in its proper place?when he encountered widows or orphans, he helped them

    ? but only fellow believers as JWs only help other JWs, if that.

    He remained faithful to his wife

    ? in Job?s day men could have more than one wife; so would he still be faithful if he had 2, 3, 10 wives?

    Can a man be faithful to his wife and view pornography?

    (Job 31:1)

    "A covenant I have concluded with my eyes. So how could I show myself attentive to a virgin?

    (Matthew 5:28) But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    Q3) How did Jehovah view Job?

    3) Job led a blameless life because he worshipped God. "There is no one like him in the earth," Jehovah said, "a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad." (Job 1:1, 8) But despite Job's moral integrity, tragedies ripped apart his comfortable lifestyle. All he had worked for disappeared, and his true mettle was tested by pain, anguish, and frustration.

    What is a "blameless" life?



    When used in describing humans, the term "blameless" must always be viewed as relative, not absolute.

    His true mettle was tested??.

    By God, by Satan, by Job?s inherited sinful nature? Yes, to all 3 according to the WTS.

    (James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God." For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.

    What though if God lets others try people with evil things?

    Wasn?t Paul just as guilty as the people that stoned Stephen as he stood by and watched?

    Q4) Why will it be helpful to consider Job's ordeal?

    4) 0f course, Job is by no means the only servant of God to have suffered a personal catastrophe. Many Christians today can easily relate to his experience. For this reason, two questions are well worth considering: How can remembering Job's ordeal help us when we face tragedy? And how can it teach us to be more empathetic toward others who suffer?

    Many Christians today

    ? only JWs. The WTS would like you to think that only JWs and Jews were in the concentration camps. Yet many Catholics and Protestants, and other members of Christian groups were there and died there.

    Teach us to be more empathetic toward others who suffer

    ? actually the example the elders and other "mature" ones copy are those 3 troublesomecomforters.

    An Issue of Loyalty and a Test of Integrity

    Q5) According to Satan, why was Job serving God?

    5) Job's case was exceptional. Unbeknownst to Job, the Devil had questioned Job's motives for serving God. When during a heavenly gathering Jehovah drew attention to Job's fine qualities, Satan replied: "Have not you yourself put up a hedge about him and about his house and about everything that he has all around?" Satan thus claimed that selfishness motivated Job--and by inference all other servants of God. "Thrust out your hand, please, and touch everything he has and see whether he will not curse you to your very face," Satan said to Jehovah. Job 1:8-11.

    Unbeknownst to Job

    ? does this mean Job did not know that the Devil existed? What about the story of Adam and Eve, hadn?t those oral stories reached Job?s area?

    Was God protecting only Job? Was Job the only man on earth worthy?

    Q6) What important issue did Satan raise?

    6) The issue was an important one. Satan challenged the way Jehovah exercises his sovereignty. Is it really possible for God to rule the universe by love? Or, as Satan implied, will selfishness always triumph in the end? Jehovah allowed the Devil to involve Job as a test case, confident in the integrity and loyalty of His servant. Thus, Satan himself brought on the calamities that befell Job in rapid succession. When Satan failed in his initial attacks, he afflicted Job with a painful disease. "Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul," the Devil alleged. Job 2:4.

    Jehovah allowed the Devil to involve Job as a test case

    ? so God does not test people but allows others to do it?

    Satan evidently has the power to kill people?killed Job?s children

    Can Satan still cause disease?

    Q7) In what ways are God's servants today subject to trials similar to those of Job?

    7) While most Christians today do not suffer to the extent that Job did, tribulations of different kinds do afflict them. Many face persecution or family problems. Economic hardship or ill health can be devastating. Some have sacrificed their lives for their faith. Of course, we must not assume that Satan personally causes each tragedy that we suffer. Actually, some problems could even be caused by our own mistakes or by an inherited physical condition. (Galatians 6:7) And all of us are subject to the ravages of old age and natural disasters. The Bible makes clear that at the present time, Jehovah does not miraculously shield his servants from these afflictions.-Ecclesiastes 9:11.

    God?s servants today

    ? only JWs

    Trials similar to those of Job

    ? so are the illnesses of JWs caused by Satan then?

    We must not assume that Satan personally causes each tragedy that we suffer

    ? but aren?t our "trials similar to those of Job"?

    Caused by our own mistakes or an inherited physical condition

    ? never by the WTS though.

    The Bible makes clear that at the present time, Jehovah does not miraculously shield his servants

    --- servants?only JWs; did God ever shield Christians? Did another Christian heal Paul; why did another Christian not resurrect Paul after he was executed?

    Q8) How may Satan seek to use the tribulations we suffer?

    8) Nevertheless, Satan may use the tribulations we suffer to undermine our faith. The apostle Paul mentioned being afflicted by "a thorn in the flesh, an angel of Satan," that kept "slapping" him. (2 Corinthians 12:7) Whether this was a physical problem, such as poor eyesight, or something else, Paul understood that Satan could use the problem and resulting frustration to sap Paul of his joy and integrity. (Proverbs 24:10) Today, Satan may incite family members, schoolmates, or even dictatorial governments to persecute God's servants in some way.

    Satan may use the tribulations

    But didn?t the WTS just say

    We must not assume that Satan personally causes each tragedy that we suffer

    God?s servants

    ? only JWs

    Q9) Why should adversity or persecution not unduly surprise us?

    9) How can we face these problems successfully? By viewing them as an opportunity to demonstrate that our love for Jehovah and our submission to his sovereignty are not fickle. (James 1:2-4) Whatever the cause of our distress, understanding the importance of loyalty to God will help us to maintain our spiritual balance. The apostle Peter wrote to Christians: "Beloved ones, do not be puzzled at the burning among you, which is happening to you for a trial, as though a strange thing were befalling you." (1 Peter 4:12) And Paul explained: "All those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted." (2 Timothy 3:12) Satan still challenges the integrity of the Witnesses of Jehovah, as he did in the case of Job. In fact, the Bible indicates that Satan has increased his attacks on God's people during these last days.-Revelation 12:9,17.

    Yes, the death of 10 children all at once is an opportunity to show our love for God and our submission to his sovereignty (which means doing everything the WTS says).

    So was Paul saying that if a person is not persecuted that he/she is not a good Christian?

    Satan is only interested in Witnesses of Jehovah because the WTS teaches that Satan controls everyone else on earth.

    Witnesses of Jehovah?God?s people

    ? only JWs; where?s Jesus?

    A Misunderstanding and Some Bad Advice

    Q10) What disadvantage did Job suffer?

    10) Job suffered a disadvantage, one that we need not experience. He did not know why these calamities had come upon him. Job mistakenly concluded that in some way "Jehovah himself [had] given, and Jehovah himself [had] taken away." (Job 1:21) Possibly, Satan deliberately sought to give Job the impression that it was God who had caused his affliction.

    Did Job not know that Satan existed? Was he ignorant of the story of Adam and Eve? Hadn?t Noah and his family brought those stories with them? Wasn?t Job a descendant of Shem, the faithful son of Noah?

    Did Satan give Job that impression or did Job reason that bad things had not happened to him before because of being protected by God?

    Q11) Explain Job's reaction to his calamities.

    11) Job became profoundly discouraged, although he refused to curse God, as his wife urged him to do. (Job 2:9, 10) 'The wicked seem to fare much better than I do,' he said. (Job 21:7-9) `Why is God punishing me?' he must have wondered. There were times when he just wanted to die. "O that in Sheol you would conceal me, that you would keep me secret until your anger turns back!" he exclaimed. -Job 14:13.

    The wicked seem to fare much better than I do

    Have you seen people at the KH who gossip, lie, and cheat prosper?

    Times when he just wanted to die

    ? notice that Job what kind of support he had from his "friends."

    12) Job had three companions who visited him, as if to "sympathize with him and comfort him." (Job 2:11) Nevertheless, they proved to be "troublesome comforters." (Job 16:2) Job might have benefited from friends to whom he could unburden himself about his problems, but these three added to Job's confusion and intensified his feelings of frustration. -Job 19:2; 26:2.

    As if to sympathize with him and comfort him

    ? did you ever confide in another JW only to find your story spread all over the congregation, even the circuit? Have you known elders described below?


    w95 2/15 p. 28 A LessoninHow to Handle Problems***

    lovingChristiandoesnotassumeattheoutsetthatabrother?sproblemsareofhisownmaking. Harsh criticism of past mistakes?whether real or imagined?can totally discourage a person who is struggling to keep going. The depressed soul needs to be ?consoled? rather than berated. (1 Thessalonians 5:14) Jehovah wants overseers to be "a hiding place from the wind," not "troublesome comforters" like Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar.?Isaiah 32:2; Job 16:2.


    w826/1 p.9An Educated Tongue?"To EncouragetheWeary"***

    Because of having the wrong viewpoint of matters, they were poorly equipped. They came with a preset theory in mind?if a person is suffering it is because he has done something bad.


    w796/1 p. 27 Job?APattern ofGodly Conduct***

    In the opinion of Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar, a person?s circumstances, whether of prosperity or misfortune, were an indication of that one?s moral worth. They were convinced that Job?s disease was evidence of his being of reprobate conduct and they kept insisting that he repent.

    Q12, 13) How did the comments of Job's three companions affect him?

    13) Understandably, Job might have asked himself: `Why me? What have I done to deserve all this calamity?' His companions offered explanations that were totally misleading. They assumed that Job had brought his suffering upon himself by committing some serious sin. "Who that is innocent has ever perished?" asked Eliphaz. "According to what I have seen, those devising what is hurtful and those sowing trouble will themselves reap it."-Job 4:7, 8.

    Have you had people say that you had committed some serious sin and that was why bad things were happening to you?

    Q14) Why should we not automatically equate suffering with improper conduct?

    14) Granted, problems may arise if we sow according to the flesh rather than the spirit. (Galatians 6:7, 8) Yet, in this present system, trouble can arise regardless of our conduct. Furthermore, in no way can it be said that the innocent are spared all calamity. Jesus Christ, who was "undefiled, separated from the sinners," suffered a painful death on a torture stake, and the apostle James suffered a martyr's death. (Hebrews 7:26; Acts 12:1, 2) The faulty reasoning of Eliphaz and his two companions moved Job to defend his good name and insist on his innocence. Still, their stubborn allegations that Job's suffering was deserved may have influenced his view of God's justice.-Job 34:5; 35:2.

    Trouble can arise regardless of our conduct

    ? save this statement for the next time the elders "help" you with a problem.

    Finding Help When Faced With Tribulation

    Q15) What reasoning will help us in the face of suffering?

    15) Is there a lesson here for us? Tragedies, illness, or persecution may seem so unfair. Other people appear to escape many of such problems. (Psalm 73:3-12) At times, we may have to ask ourselves these fundamental questions: 'Does my love for God move me to serve him come what may? Do I long to give Jehovah "a reply to the one who is taunting Him?"' (Proverbs 27:11; Matthew 22:37) We must never allow the thoughtless comments of others to make us doubt our heavenly Father. One faithful Christian who suffered from a chronic illness for many years once said: "I know that whatever Jehovah permits, it will be all right. I know he will give me the needed strength. He always has."

    We must never allow the thoughtless comments of others to make us doubt our heavenly Father?

    but let it help you realize that God would not have anything to do with people who constantly treat you that way or an organization that condones or excuses it.

    Q16) How does God's Word provide help to those facing hardships?

    16) With regard to Satan's tactics, we have an understanding that Job did not have. "We are not ignorant of his designs," or evil schemes. (2 Corinthians 2:11) Furthermore, we have a wealth of practical wisdom on which to draw. In the Bible, we find accounts of faithful men and women who endured all manner of hardships. The apostle Paul, who suffered more than most, wrote: "All the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope." (Romans 15:4) One Witness in Europe who was imprisoned for his faith during the second world war exchanged three days' rations for a Bible. "How rewarding that exchange proved to be!" he says. "Despite my physical hunger, I received the spiritual food that helped sustain me as well as others in our trials during those troublous times. I have kept that Bible to this day."

    We have an understanding that Job did not have

    ? has the WTS once in this article proved from the scriptures that Job did not know of Satan?s existence and his treatment of Adam and Eve?

    Accounts of faithful men and women

    ? obviously only from the OT

    Exchanged 3 days? rations for a Bible..kept that Bible to this day

    ? obviously not a paperback NWT.

    Q17) What divine provisions can help us to endure?

    17) Besides the comfort from the Scriptures, we have many Bible study aids that offer sound guidance for coping with problems. If you consult the Watch Tower Publications Index, you will likely find an experience of a fellow Christian who has had a trial similar to your own. (1 Peter 5:9) It may also be helpful to discuss your circumstances with understanding elders or other mature Christians. Above all, through prayer, you can count on help from Jehovah and his holy spirit. How did Paul resist the `slaps' of Satan? By learning to rely on the power of God. (2 Corinthians 12:9, 10) "For all things I have the strength by virtue of him who imparts power to me," he wrote.-Philippians 4:13.

    [Picture on page 23] Doing research, talking with mature Christians, and pouring out our heart in prayer can help us to endure

    divine provisions?many Bible study aids

    ? so are the WT publications from God; inspired by him?

    A fellow Christian

    ? a fellow JW actually

    Helpful to discuss your circumstances with understanding elders or other mature Christians

    Mature Christians

    ? only JWs

    While the elders are expected to keep what you say confidential, will the "other mature Christians"?

    Q18) How can fellow Christians offer invaluable encouragement?

    18) So help is available, and you should never hesitate to seek it. "Have you shown yourself discouraged in the day of distress? Your power will be scanty," the proverb notes. (Proverbs 24:10) Just as termites can cause a wooden house to topple, discouragement can undermine a Christian's integrity. To counteract this danger, Jehovah provides us with support through our fellow servants of God. An angel appeared to Jesus and strengthened him on the night he was arrested. (Luke 22:43) While journeying toward Rome as a prisoner, Paul "thanked God and took courage" when he met the brothers at the Marketplace of Appius and Three Taverns. (Acts 28:15) A German Witness still remembers the help she received upon her arrival at Ravensbruck concentration camp as an apprehensive teenager. "A fellow Christian found me right away and gave me a hearty welcome," she recalls. "Another faithful sister took me under her wing, and she became like a spiritual mother to me."

    Fellow Christians

    ? only JWs

    Christian?s integrity

    ? only JWs

    Fellow servants of God

    ? only JWs

    So what kind of support to JWs get from other JWs? Do they come to the hospital to see them, send cards, flowers? Do they help out them financially? Will they come and help mow your lawn, clean your house, cook food until you get back on your feet? In the 50 years I attended a congregation of JWs, I saw lip service given to this and only a few members actually live it.

    "Prove Yourself Faithful"

    Q19) What helped Job to resist Satan's efforts?

    19) Jehovah described Job as a man who was "holding fast his integrity." (Job 2:3) Despite feeling discouraged and not understanding why he suffered, Job never wavered on the vital issue of loyalty. Job refused to deny everything for which he had lived. He insisted: "Until I expire I shall not take away my integrity from myself!" Job 27:5.

    Job never wavered on the vital issue of loyalty


    Job attended all the meetings, got in the national average of hours, and never, never contradicted anything the elders or WTS said or did.

    Q20) Why is endurance worthwhile?

    20) Similar determination will help us to maintain our integrity under any circumstances--in the face of temptations, opposition, or adversity. "Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer," Jesus told the congregation in Smyrna. "Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison that you may be fully put to the test, and that you may have tribulation [trouble, distress, or oppression] ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life."-Revelation 2:10.

    Jesus told the congregation in Smyrna

    ? actually these were only anointed Christians the only ones who receive the crown of life. No mention of a secondary earthly class here.

    Q21, 22) When enduring tribulation, we can be comforted by what knowledge?

    21) In this system ruled by Satan, our endurance and integrity will be put to the test. Nevertheless, Jesus assures us that as we look to the future, we have no reason to fear. The important thing is to prove ourselves faithful. "The tribulation is momentary," said Paul, whereas the "glory," or reward that Jehovah promises us, "is of more and more surpassing weight and is everlasting." (2 Corinthians 4:17,18) Even Job's tribulation was momentary when compared with the many happy years he enjoyed before and after his trial. Job 42:16.

    System ruled by Satan

    ? Satan is the "god" of this system of things per the WTS; does that mean that everyone but JWs are worshiping Satan?

    Job?s tribulation was momentary

    ? but what about the 10 children that died? Were they resurrected to enjoy many happy years?

    22) Still, there may be moments in our lives when our trials seem unending and our suffering seems almost unbearable. In the following article, we will consider how Job's experience can teach us additional lessons in endurance. We will also look at ways in which we can strengthen others who face adversity.


    ? the JW baby boomers are seeing their parents die, people who once thought they were part of the millions now living who will never die. The WTS has been waiting for the end since 1914, 92 years ago.

    How Would You Answer?

    - What fundamental issue did Satan raise concerning Job's integrity?

    - Why should adversity not unduly surprise us?

    • How does Jehovah help us to endure?

    Concluding Comments

    Don?t relax, next week is more about Job and endurance. How long did the early Christians wait? 37 years?

    Blondie is on the road this week so the review is a little abbreviated. Do you have fall chores lined up?

    Clean the garage

    Clean the vehicles

    Heavy duty vacuuming

    Clean out the basement

    Put the garden to bed, fertilize the lawn

    Get pumpkins for the front stoop

    Have a garage sale

    Can you recommend one of the new TV shows this season?

    Love, Blondie

  • Elsewhere

    I guess this means that most JWs view their lives as being just as miserable as Job.

    What happened to the happy people living in a spiritual paradise?

  • Gill

    Good point, Elsewhere! They're a miserable negative bunch at the best of times! No wonder if they think an evil spirit and his cohorts are out to get them!Thanks Blondie!

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro


    I was lurking for months before I finally worked up the nerve to participate. I want to take this opportunity to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your reviews. Your analysis of the weekly WT study really has made an impact on me. The intellectual dishonesty, circular reasoning, subtle and not-so-subtle manipulation of the flock is something I wasn't able to see in my previous mindset. However, the more I read your reviews, the more I could see it.

    Also, I've been able to slip several of your comments into the study! While I doubt that makes a difference to anyone there, at least it makes me feel a little better.

    I realize the amount of work that you put into this each week. You're certainly doing more than most WT conductors. I just want you to know how much I personally benefited and to encourage you to keep up the good work.

    Safe travels!

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    The point made in your opening comments is what the study should really focus on because I think that's the biggest lesson for folks today. Satan directly attacked Job and caused him much suffering. But, the guys that dropped by to "comfort" Job and his own grieving wife were the ones that pushed Job to the point he wanted to die. His wife, I can understand, because as was brought out, she was dealing with the same things (except for the disease) that Job was. But the comforters were the real problem.

    I can't tell you how many times we've heard from elders/COs, ect that "if a person can't make it in service or to the meetings, they must be spiritually weak". Isn't that exactly what the "comforters" said? Isn't that what those guys got blasted for? So, why would it be appropriate for those in a position of a "shepherd" to act the same way.

    But, the focus remains on patience/endurance because they know the natives are restless due to all the unfulfilled expectations. "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick" (Prov 13:12, NWT). Wonder where we got those expectations from?

  • xjwms


    Another very great review.....and your comment regarding Satan killing people?

    I never thought of it in that way...So it must be true.

    Thank you Thank you Thank you.


  • jgnat

    Excellent point, DoubtingBro

    But the comforters were the real problem.

    I've called the brothers at the hall "Job's comforters" more than once. I boggles my mind how the JW's hold up Job as an exemplary model of endurance, when the big message is that man cannot assume God's judgement on people.

    Blondie, we've been teetering on the edge of fall, cold but not freezing, wet but not snowing. The tomatoes have stopped growing, but I am hoping for a few more shelf-ripened ones. I've pulled the geraniums for overwintering, and after the first frost, I'll try and overwinter the begonias too.

  • Ade

    Hi jgnat,
    i grew , cherokee purple , sunsugar sweet and orange pixie toms this year . kids said they were lovely.planted my zinnias too late >:(.


  • heathen

    That's so right on how the congregation would condemn you for petty things , maybe they should have looked at the article from perspective of being judgemental of others that have problems . I don't think I've ever heard them offer special prayers for people during a meeting .

    We must never allow the thoughtless comments of others to make us doubt our heavenly Father

    touche on that ....... We are basically put here to suffer and die anyway , that's part of the christian theology is to suffer for the faith to prove yourself loyal .

    Great job there again blondie .

  • moomanchu

    Study on Job = Keep doin what we tell you stop complaining look how bad Job had it

    Today, Satan may incite family members, schoolmates, or even dictatorial governments to persecute God's servants in some way.

    Ex JW family member = tool of Satan

    'The wicked seem to fare much better than I do,' he said.

    Evil apostates seem better off but there not.

    Can you recommend one of the new TV shows this season?

    I like Prison Break , House ,Grey's Anatomy they're not new though

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