Did you forget how to make friends?

by AK - Jeff 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Simon raised an interesting point in my last thread about so many leaving the forum - his point was that the ideal situation would be to move on and leave forums like this one in the past at some point. Agreed.

    Seems as though cult victims in general - and witnesses in particular - have been taught to divest oneself of the social tangibles needed to make friends and move on. Do you think this has happened to you? Do you, or did you after leaving, have to make extraordinary effort to learn the social skills and get on with it?

    How so? Share with the others here who need to know how to go about it. It is a serious problem for some I suppose, a nuisance for others, and little problem for the few. Let's skip the standard 'join a health club' type advise [though it is good to do things like that], and move right into the mindset needed to 'move on'. How does one divest from the principle indoctrination that makes this rudimentary human skill so hard to develop later in life, post-cult.

    Jeff

  • gumby
    gumby

    I've never been one to believe that staying here at JWD for years on end means a person isn't growing or moving on.

    For myself, I have met many friends here and I enjoy visiting with them, joking with them, planning meetups, learning from them,helping new ones learn things they never knew about the witnesses and want to escape.

    I don't NEED friends here, I choose to have them. I could just e-mail them sure, but I like visiting with them in the setting we have here. It's like sitting in a bar or a social club with all your buddies.

    Another reason I stay here is to learn of the latest smut on a destructive cult called the Jehovahs Witnesses as most all of my family is still inside it's walls and I eagerly await news about anything that tells me this cult is falling, slowing down, having legal battles, is being exposed by the media, etc. It makes my day.

    Plus, I'm not that crazy about TV

    Gumby

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC
    How does one divest from the principle indoctrination that makes this rudimentary human skill so hard to develop later in life, post-cult.

    Well ppl with beards, dreadlocks and tatoos used to scare me and I would think they were bad ppl who really needed the troof. I sure didnt want to hang out with them. To divest from indoctrination I try to hang with people like that as much as possible.

    alt

    In fact I do as much antiJW lifestyle stuff as possible now.

  • penny2
    penny2

    Good question Jeff. Faders who are still socialising with their jw families have their own set of problems. Elders in my extended family have said straight out that they will associate with me only until they find out I'm doing something against jw standards. This could be something simple like celebrating a birthday or accepting a xmas card. Someone else reading this would think - that's easy, why would you want to mix with people like that. When you dearly love most of your family, it's not that straightforward.

    I have my superficial work "friends" who fill a certain need but those people and my family will never meet.

  • parakeet
    parakeet

    ***How does one divest from the principle indoctrination that makes this rudimentary human skill so hard to develop later in life, post-cult.***

    ExJWs have several barriers to push aside before they can trust again. They must work through their anger at the JWs' betrayal of their trust, and they must overcome their ingrained perception of the outside world as evil. That's a big double-whammy when trying to make new friends.
    I don't think you can divest JW indoctrination like taking off a coat. Time and an open mind are the only cure.

  • Soledad
    Soledad
    They must work through their anger at the JWs' betrayal of their trust, and they must overcome their ingrained perception of the outside world as evil. That's a big double-whammy when trying to make new friends.

    And that's doubly hard when you were born and raised as a JW and know nothing else. I can now say that I am finally at a point where I can really *see* the world and realize that it's not bad and that we are all the same. I no longer judge people like I used to.

  • Arthur
    Arthur
    Let's skip the standard 'join a health club' type advise [though it is good to do things like that], and move right into the mindset needed to 'move on'.

    Well, in my own case, I couldn't just intellectualize or think my way into better actions. Often, I had to take action first; and jump into situations even though I felt that I wasn't emotionally equipped for it. Ideally, it would have been nice to be able to build a mindset of freedom and confidence before getting into action, but in my case, this had to be done in reverse. I had to take the necessary actions that would begin to build some confidence. I found that when I jumped into social situations first, I realized that It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be; and it therefore built confidence needed to do it again. This was never easy for me, because I have always been very introverted.

    I have found that it is very important to develop one or two very close friendships first. These are people that I don't have to "look good" around. I can basically tell them anything about myself, without them judging me. I found it very important to be able to totally open up to them and explain everything I am going through. I have told them everything about Witness ideology, how it affected me, and how I am battling to deal with the years of indoctrination and social phobias. They have been able to give me some feed-back and advice. Often, the best help they have given is the validation that I am not as weird or socially deficient as I thought I was. Very often, it is these close friends that have sort of prodded me into social situations even though I didn't want to. They did that, because they care; and I was glad that I took their advice. By just getting involved in social settings (even though I didn't feel ready) I got to gain the confidence of people telling me that they enjoyed my company, and seeing that I wasn't as socially inept as I thought I was.

    One of the hardest hurdles to get over is our phobias about "worldly people". Many of us had our perceptions of "worldly people" shaped by the media (being that we never actually had any relationships with any of them) I know of Witnesses who will watch to news and say "Just look at how sick people are". But they never get to know all of the "worldly people" out there who are so kind, loving, compassionate, and peaceful. Exposing ourselves to new experiences can allow us to see, and get to know many of these people who are very good-hearted, and kind. As we get to know some of these people, our perceptions of people and the world will begin to change.

    All of this stuff takes time and patience. I am still having a very hard time. I still have a lot of fear, anxiety, and intense anger. Ideally, I would have liked to be able to change my thinking and feelings before venturing out into the world, but it just would have never happened. It's like trying to learn to surf by reading an instructional book.

    I think we suffer from a psychology that can only be changed by the help of other people outside of us. I think that counseling is often needed due to the many years of heavy indoctrination. For those of us born into the org, the years of mind control probably necessitate couseling.

    I think that the first important step is to take simple actions to just get to know and draw close to good people. This can be the initial spring-board that can get us out there; and get us started on a new path of courage and discovery.

  • AnonyMouse
    AnonyMouse

    I've probably forgotten how to make freinds.

    Sure, I had the 7 years in public school, but no doubt that's faded. I went to SAD (an amazing acronym if I ever saw one), and it was tough to meet new people.

    I think I did well, even if I had to force myself to shake thier hand and introduce myself (I'll end up never getting to know them, and moving on later, but it's good practice anyway). I did manage to meet a girl. And considering how I was able to insult my freind in front of her, introduce myself, and stand close to her (not like THAT), I consider it a victory.

    With no real contact with girls over the years, its tough to try and think of girls as more than just attractive specimens used for reproduction (It's hard to admit I think like that...but remember I'm a male teenager) and more as human beings like I am. I'll admit I did better around her, but then again, there was the other girl (who happened to be far better looking) that had me scared.

    She asked me what was happening...it irritated me that I could barely say anything. I managed a slight joke, that's the only part of my personality that made it through.


    I'll be cured in a few years. But I don't know how to make freinds unless they are thrust in front of me.

  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    I don't know. I was raised a JW and I don't think that I will ever fit in anywhere not even 2.5 years later do I think I have any social skills at all.

  • silentWatcher
    silentWatcher

    Do you think this has happened to you? Do you, or did you after leaving, have to make extraordinary effort to learn the social skills and get on with it?

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Still trying. Being 28 and having almost zilch dating experience (to go along with natural awkwardness) is a nightmare.

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