And only if it was found dead. They couldn't strangle an animal and then sell it.
This REFUTES Watchtower Blood policies and exposes the LIE
by Terry 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Leolaia
metatron....Actually, this is not an argument against the relevance of the Noachide laws because the rabbinical Noachide laws for Gentiles are indeed derived in large part from Leviticus 17-19, not from Genesis (e.g. where does Genesis 9 talk about adultery, theft, blasphemy, etc.?). The earliest characterization of the laws given to Noah (mid-second century BC) in fact quite clearly borrows from Leviticus:
"And in the 28th jubilee Noah began to command his grandsons with ordinances and commandments and all of the judgments which he knew. And he bore witness to his sons so that they might do justice and cover the shame of their flesh (= Leviticus 18:6-17) and bless the one who created them and honor father and mother, and each one love his neighbor (= Leviticus 19:18) and preserve themselves from fornication and pollution (= Leviticus 18:19-28) and from all injustice" (Jubilees 7:20-21).
The sevenfold list is also most likely a later development than the threefold list of idolatry >> fornication >> bloodshed found in earlier sources, and this triad was already in place elsewhere in Jubilees as well (20:5-6, 23:14-17). At Lydda in c. AD 135, these three sins were recognized as the only capital offenses for Gentiles (b Sanhedrin 74a, Sifre Deuteronomy 41). The same triadic list also appears in second-century apologists (cf. Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses 4.27.4, Tertullian, Hippolytus of Rome).
The later Noachide laws thus preserve an earlier ethic for Gentile converts, originally derived from Leviticus and the Decalogue. It is of especial significance because the apostolic agreement in Acts reflects a set of laws already in place in the Judaism of the period, pertaining to the "God-fearers" who were uncircumcised Gentiles attending synagogue (cf. Josephus, BJ 7.45, Antiquities 14.110, Acts 10:1-2, 14:1, 16:13-14). As Flusser points out: "The Noachide laws were designed to establish a minimum of obligations for the Godfearers so they could be saved with the Jews who were required to strictly keep to the whole Law of Moses. It has been established that Jews in antiquity were not active proselytizers and Judaism neither wished nor required that all gentile Godfearers should become full converts" (p. 246).
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jwfacts
Thanks for that clarification Dark Knight, and nice to see you pop up, it has been a while.
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Shazard
Guys! And again... no "honest" JW will ever read all this. During first 2 sentences they will find out that this is apostate material, and just close the browser. Any message to JW should be put into 2 sentences, only then you have chances to slip the seed of doubt into their heart.
But yes. Good article. Afaik then "eating blood" actually means murder without recognition of lifes value. -
metatron
I can see a relationship between the two - but clearly, it's kind of absurd to derive all these specifics directed at Gentiles from a few
simple statements made to Noah. James , in the final Apostolic statement, follows the summarized list/order in Leviticus.
Most importantly of all, for people who follow the Bible exclusively - and ignore these external sources - the matter is blatantly
clear, namely, Acts 15 is based on Leviticus and directly sources it as the authority for the Apostolic statement. As such,
the blood issue collapses right there - because we're not under the Law.
metatron
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Terry
Most importantly of all, for people who follow the Bible exclusively - and ignore these external sources - the matter is blatantly
clear, namely, Acts 15 is based on Leviticus and directly sources it as the authority for the Apostolic statement. As such,
the blood issue collapses right there - because we're not under the Law.
So, now we must ask a difficult question which points to the motives behind teaching generations of people they must DIE rather than break a law which is NOT in force.
WHAT IS THE MOTIVE?
As I have stated previously in many of my posts, I am convinced that J.F.Rutherford used the misery and contrariness of JW's to advertise his home-grown religious project. He gained power over people by making them jump through tyrannical hoops.
You can have no greater power over humans than to find a way to get them to lay down their very own life (or allow others to die) simply because you say they must.
Generations of Jehovah's Witnesses have taken on the yoke of these latter-day Pharisees who parse every jot and tiddle of their ad hoc "laws" and re-interpretations of scripture.
THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR. They know it, too.
When they finally do ease off on these blood issues and relegate them to the intellectual limbo of "conscience-only" it will be clearly seen how guilty they are of ongoing duplicity.
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TD
It will be a cold day in you-know-where when the Witnesses adopt the enlightened view of RAMBAM
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Terry
Frankly, I'm rather surprised that no effort has been made to refute the Watchtower Blood doctrine by focusing on how erroneously and deliberaely wrong-headed their scripture citations are in an HISTORICAL context.
The Noahide Laws are not brought in to the discussion and I want to know why?