Grand Climax

by mouthy 39 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • ballistic
    Your balloon avatar is back.

    Yeah. Everyone thought that looked like a penis.

  • Poztate

    When they sold the NYC property they probably came across a room filled with a million or so surplus Climax books. Since they are a business it was determined that the best way to liquidate surplus stock was to study it AGAIN The GB knows that most dubs don't really think about what they are studying so it would be a safe bet.

    The story will be put out that we know "deliverance is at hand"™ and since revelation is all about how this deliverance happens we gotta study it again. Every one will be issued whiteout to delete those obsolete lies truths.

  • FlyingHighNow

    When we studied this book the first and second time, I was still mostly snowed by the WTBTS. However, I used to wonder, "Oh sure, and just how do they know this? [RED FLAG] The so called "deep books" made me raise an eyebrow on many occasions. That "the fingers don't quite come together in the middle" kind of feeling would come over me.

  • gumby

    Notice how ballistic steals the thread cuz his head looks like a penis and that's all anyone wants to discuss?

    Mary, thanks....that's the one. Your giving Blondie some stiff competition (no pun intended on the 'stiff' word either)


  • ballistic

    How did a climax thread get onto the subject of penises? Sorry, I'll stop it now. Carry on everyone...

  • hamsterbait

    Mary - many thanks as I threw the Climax book out in disgust a while back.

    It is so angering, and, dare I say blasphemous that the Witchtower Babble and Trick both explains away what anybody just reading God's word would see, and then add punctuation and quotes to make the scripture appear to support their viewpoint.

    It is very like the redefinition of "worship" of Jesus in Hebrews 1. The original version in the NWT did not support them so they read out a definition at an ASSembly redefining the greek word used there, and changed Worship to "do obeisance".

    (According to one source they have even invented a new kone greek tense, of which nobody else is aware, to justify certain twistings of meaning not found in any other bible translations - see the catholic website on this)

    They have now isolated so many in the cult that they know they can say and claim anything they want, and the R&F will be too afraid to challenge it.

    Who said "I'd rather have questions I can't answer than answers I can't question"?


  • loosie
    The Revelation Book - It's Grand Climax At Hand! AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

    That's insane to study that again. Especially since they were outed about their association with the UN. And they are gonna bad mouth the UN thru this whole book.

  • Ténébreux
    When they sold the NYC property they probably came across a room filled with a million or so surplus Climax books. Since they are a business it was determined that the best way to liquidate surplus stock was to study it AGAIN

    That's just what I was thinking. In one of Ray Franz's books he mentions in a footnote that the WTS had done exactly that on at least one occasion.

  • Mary

    I've been skimming through the Revelation Climax book (on the CD) as it's been several years since we studied it. It just boggles the mind at how utterly STUPID their interpretations are. For example:


    re chap. 16 p. 97 Four Horsemen at the Gallop! ***"And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth." (Revelation 6:8b)..............

    Their interpretation?:

    *** re chap. 16 p. 98 Four Horsemen at the Gallop! *** 30 Death by wild beasts has seldom made headlines in modern times, though in tropical countries wild animals have steadily claimed victims throughout the 20th century. In the future, they may claim even more if lands become desolated because of warfare or people become too emaciated by famine to fight off hungry animals. Additionally, there are many humans today who, like unreasoning animals, display beastly dispositions quite contrary to those described at Isaiah 11:6-9. These people are largely responsible for the global expansion of sex-related crimes, murder, terrorism, and bombings in the modern world.

    This is my favorite one:


    re chap. 21 p. 134 Jehovah’s Plagues on Christendom ***And something like a great mountain burning with fire was hurled into the sea. And a third of the sea became blood; and a third of the creatures that are in the sea which have souls died, and a third of the boats were wrecked." (Revelation 8:8)

    Their interpretation:

    "... A great mountainlike mass burning with fire is hurled into this "sea." In the Bible, mountains very often symbolize governments. For example, God’s Kingdom is portrayed as a mountain. (Daniel 2:35, 44) Ruinous Babylon became a "burnt-out mountain." (Jeremiah 51:25) But the mountainous mass that John sees is still burning. Its being hurled into the sea well represents how, during and after the first world war, the question of government became a burning issue among mankind, especially in the lands of Christendom...."

    Can you believe it? I mean, come on; if you can't do any better than that, then perhaps they should just stick to My Book of Bible Stories (and they do a piss-poor job of even that).......

    While it may initially surprise us that they're going to force the R&F to study this ridiculous piece of fiction yet again, when you look at it from the GB's point of view, it's obvious that it's nothing more than their latest desperate, strategic maneuver to try and reign the flock in. What is the main theme in the Revelation Climax book? Not Jehovah or Jesus, but how the Governing Body were chosen as the F&DS class in 1918 or 1919 and how all their 'trials and trouble' were fortold 2,000 years's another weary worn attempt at trying to convince the flock that they are God's Messenger and we better not question them.........Having to skim over some parts that have been changed or embarassing (like the UN part which most Dubs aren't even aware of) is a minor inconvenience when your authority's being questioned.

  • under_believer

    That is actively insulting to my intelligence. Thanks for the reminder, Mary.

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