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  • DannyHaszard

    When your child joins a cult
    The Tide - Port Harcourt,Niger Delta,Nigeria
    ... What happens is that cults divide a family that was once. together as believers which is certainly not the intent of the passages used in Mk.10:29; Lk.12:53. ... {Mark 10:29 "I tell you the truth," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel..}

    When your child joins a cult
    Lewis Akpogena • Sunday, Jun 4, 2006
    What can one do when their child becomes involved in a known cult or a questionable Church? The circumstances are not always the same, so there is no set pattern to use for ones deliverance. But there are some guidelines that can help before and afterward. Warning signs: If your child has joined a church that now has taken up all his time. That he or she has just informed you that he wants to move out from your home and move in with the members. If he has given up his goals and the aspirations he had to further his education very quickly after joining. Or he dropped the sports that he has always practised. If he starts speaking different lingo and does not share what it means or says. Or he says you won’t understand why he is doing these new things. He starts to dress differently and loses interest quickly in his oldest friends. Anytime there is a very quick change in personality and lifestyle influenced by the new group they are attending and they cannot explain or, share the reasons. These are all warning signs that cult like changes have begun. Everyone should be able to give rational explanations for change especially if it is the Lord’s doing. If one is already faced with his child joining there are some basic guidelines to follow. The first thing one need to do is avoid pushing one to make a decision to leave. The reason for this is that they are probably being told this will happen from their parents and friend’s, so they look upon this as Satan attacking. So one needs to be as patient and understanding as possible even if they know it is wrong. Scriptures are often used about leaving your family or Christ came to divide. While these are all true they need to be interpreted right. Groups often bring biblical teaching to an extreme. You can show them other passages like Jesus taking care of his own mother giving her over into hands of John even from the cross (In.19) Paul says in Eph.6:2, “Honour your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise. What is meant is that a family that is unbelieving is not to have hold over one that believes and influence toward ungodliness. What happens is that cults divide a family that was once together as believers which is certainly not the intent of the passages used in Mk.10:29; Lk.12:53. As Jesus said about his family being there to see him. Luke 8:21"But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” He didn’t separate from his blood family, but explained the true meaning of family and their relationship to God. Certainly Mary his mother obeyed God, yet his brothers and sisters were non believers until after the resurrection: (James and J4de). (good point here) It was John the Baptists ministry to prepare the people for the Messiah. Luke 1: 17 “He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” Notice that there is to be reconciliation. This is a partial quote from Mal.4:5 which further states and...” the hearts of the children to their fathers”... reconciliation of the family. If they have turned your child away from honoring you then they are dishonouring God. Jesus did not go against honouring your father and mother. If one continues one relationship of parental care and reminds them of all the things they have done and gone through as a family, it will reinforce the love and commitment they are now being told replaces it. This may not yield results immediately but it needs to be said over and over again to counter what they may be saying. I realise that not all families had an optimum situation and divorce may have transpired as well as other unique situations. This is why there is no set method for success; all situations are not the same. But love is and it never fails and there is nothing that can interfere with family that has unconditional love. One needs to know the doctrines they are being taught to address it correctly. This will take patience, understanding, kindness as well as being firm. If one does not know the basics of what the group their child or loved one is involved, it becomes all the harder to explain why it may be wrong. Don’t be afraid to challenge them to have an answer but if you force an immediate answer it will repel them. Asking questions of interest helps break down the walls. Such as why they were attracted. Often you will find that it is not just a doctrinal reason but an emotional need that was missing. Usually friendship or someone that showed they cared for them as a person. Constantly reaffirm when they are ready to leave that you’ll be there for them. Leaving the group which has become their replacement family can be extremely hard. They are usually taught that to leave the group is to leave God. This is where friends and loved ones need to be there for their child no matter what has taken place or how long it has been. If you are not there with open arms they see no where else to go and will stay. The hardest time is the transition period, one need to constantly support them or they will run back to the group. It’s like swimming through long and choppy seas. But when someone has made it to shore safely and is welcomed, the healing process can begin. God can change the circumstances and often times the family will grow closer together with one another and have a greater trust and honesty in their relationships after going through this turmoil together. Dr Akpogena resides in Port Harcourt (indeed a non JW commentary)

    [email protected] send your comments to editor strike while the iron is hot WT slammed (cult) by Nigerian Newspaper related thread by this same African paper slamming JW's --------------------------------------------- Comment:I was dfed in 1992 my beloved disabled JW mother died in 2002 this i found out on my own from government social security death records.

    Yes, not only was i not allowed to attend her funeral they didn't even let me know when she died so i could properly mourn my loss. WHO! Does this except the Watchtower cult? WHO? They make the taliban look tame,curse you watchtower bastards.--Danny Haszard apostate warrior
  • DannyHaszard

    "...if my family has any contact with me they will be justifying my ungodly lifestyle"

    Ring a bell? It's not from the JW's it's an excerpt form the discovery channel documentary on 'doomsday cults' describing the practice of the Roberts group a disturbing cult.

    See all cults like JW's have a shunning shame device to control members.. To be treated like a man of the nations (gentile) or as a tax collector does not mean that i am viewed as 'dead' by my mother.

  • mariposa

    Thanks for the article Danny...so true. makes me sad to think what I put my parents through.

    I wish my mom had this when I joined the dubs. Maybe it would of helped, but truthfully I'll never really know. One thing's for sure, she was always there for me esp. when my newfound F-A-M-I-L-Y turned their backs on me!

  • fullofdoubtnow

    Good stuff Danny, thanks for that. I was the only member of my family to become a jw, and I was still in when my dad died. Him and mum felt I'd wasted my education by joining, and I now agree with them. Reading that kind of reminds me of me.

  • DannyHaszard

    Knowing An Unsafe Cult
    American Chronicle - Beverly Hills,CA,USA
    ... Although these signs are not written in stone, they do give a sense of what is going on in the minds of cult members or new recruits of unsafe cults. ... Knowing An Unsafe Cult Stan Grimes June 7, 2006 I have received a number of emails from readers interested in knowing how to tell if they or someone they care for are being enticed or lured into an unsafe cult. Although these signs are not written in stone, they do give a sense of what is going on in the minds of cult members or new recruits of unsafe cults. Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist of http://rickross.com has presented the following warning signs shown by individuals, who very possibly may be either members of an unsafe cult or about to become members of an unsafe cult: 1. Extreme obsessiveness, regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. 2. Individual identity, the group, the leader, and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens. 3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned, it is characterized as “persecution.” 4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior. 5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement. 6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests. 7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. 8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader. 9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful. 10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They cannot be trusted and personal contact is avoided. What qualifies as an unsafe cult? If you have internet access (and I assume you do), use your favorite search engine and search for cults. Go to the Rick Ross website. There is a great deal of information on that site about unsafe cults and leaders of cults. Remember, many cults are traps and leaving them is much more difficult than joining them.

  • gumby

    The first thing one need to do is avoid pushing one to make a decision to leave. The reason for this is that they are probably being told this will happen from their parents and friend’s, so they look upon this as Satan attacking.

    This happened today with one of our fellow posters who was trying to be helpful to a person who is studying with the witnesses. She is a single mom with two kids. This person offers her two books he went to the trouble of obtaining ( new books)...and she said she would NOT be interested in reading them. She had already been worked over by the witnesses evidently and progressed in her study long enough to be brain washed.

    This tactic is within the first few chapters of any publication used for a bible study. It tells the new study that family will try and make trouble for you for studying with the witnesses.....just like Jesus said.( the study book uses a scripture to look up for varification)

    Getting past this wall sometimes seems worthless to try....yet you also here of success stories. What do you do....speak...or keep your mouth shut? It's a tough call sometimes.


  • Anitar

    If only someone had told me this five years ago. I had no idea the seemingly nice people befriending my mother and lavishing her with gifts had an agenda. I didn't see who they really were and how they brainwashed her until it was too late. Was it my fault? Does anyone else feel like a failure?

    I think I'm going to be sick...

  • DannyHaszard
    I had no idea the seemingly nice people befriending my mother and lavishing her with gifts had an agenda.

    Jehovah's Witnesses and "Love Bombing" what is it?

  • Hondo

    The cult, Jehovah Witnesses, took my wife away from me, destroying our marriage, family and life. They packaged and wrapped her up with their love bombing very nicely. Not knowing a lot about the JW's at the time, and her staunch belief in whatever they told her, cause me to do just everything wrong in trying to keep my marriage and family together. I cannon help but think, almost daily, how a woman (my wife) can take 20 years of marriage and essentially throw it all away. I'm ex-military (Navy) by the way, and I suspect that the good JWs came knocking when the ship I was on was away, kids were in school, maybe the wife a bit lonely and a maybe depressed...and they came. She kept everything a secret from me for the first 7 or 8 months lieing about going out in the evenings, saying she was going to visit friends, when in fact she was attending meetings. I should have known!!!...and kick myself in the butt for now doing things different. I only found out, at the 6 or 7 months mark, by discovering some awake/wathctower magazines she was hidding. I've come to find out that the JWs providing her with her "free bible study" "highly" recommended that she don't tell me or her relatives what she was doing because we all would think she was joing a cult (duhhhh!!!) and be against her doing so. So, 20 years of marriage went down the drain. It may or may not have helped, but I wish I would have known back then what I know now about the JWs and how they work.


  • Anitar

    Hey Hondo I'm really sorry about your wife, my mom had a similar indoctrination. It was right after my parents divorce, she's handicapped, and the local courts pulled a fast one on her and before we knew it we were forced homeless onto the street. She was still very vulnerable when we finally got an apartment, the three of us. One day she met a stranger in the laundromat who asked her "how would you like to walk and dance out of that wheelchair and be forever young in a paradise earth?"

    What kind of sick bastard says that to a 56 year old handicapped woman he never met?! Of course, she said yes without any reservation. At first, I encouraged her to be with them. I wanted her to make friends after the divorce, and since we had no car we stopped going to church. So when these people showed up, it seemed like a double blessing to me. You can imagine the gut wrenching guilt I feel to this day. For the first nine months, they didn't even mention they were JWs. They gave the APPERANCE of bible knowledge, combined with gifts of free food, clothes, and money.

    But then things got really creepy. I would come home from school and find a stranger JW mowing my lawn, or washing my dishes, or giving my mom a bath. They seemed to be completely oblivious to the boundaries of normal human etiquite. Instead of asking if we needed help, they would just stroll in the door and start rearranging the house. They leered at me with plastic smiles and they stunk like dollar store perfume, and their eyes had this frightning blank stare. Within nine months, my mom was beyond reasoning. No more church, no more holidays, no more friends, no more family, no more sanity.

    I'm sorry Hondo, I feel your pain.....

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