There are many odd connections between the Mormons and the JW's. Ezra Taft Benson a recent leader of the Mormon church is a descendant of Alphonso Taft who along with William Russell (our founder Charles Russells relative) started the Order of the Skull and Bones.
What happed if two Mormon Elders and two Jehovahs witness meet together?
by Ray 15 Replies latest jw experiences
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blondie
When members need to have certain blessings withheld, the Lord’s object is to teach as well as to discipline. So probation, disfellowshipment, and excommunication, when they become necessary, are ideally accompanied by eventual reinstatement and restoration of blessings.
Informal Church Discipline
When a bishop learns of a transgression, usually through the confession of the member involved, he first counsels with the member. When the sin is not grievous, the bishop may decide, through inspiration, that no disciplinary action is needed. He may continue to give counsel and caution, helping the member resist temptation and avoid further transgression.
Another option the bishop has is to place the member on informal probation, temporarily restricting his privileges as a Church member—such as the right to partake of the sacrament, hold a Church position, or enter the temple. The bishop may ask the member to surrender his temple recommend temporarily. In addition, he may require the member to make specific positive changes in attitude or behavior. No official record is made or kept of informal probation. The bishop maintains close contact with the member and may terminate the probation period when he is prompted to do so.
In these cases, informal Church discipline may negate the need for formal disciplinary action. Since repentance and reformation are the primary objectives of any Church disciplinary action, the bishop may feel that the person has done or is doing everything necessary to repent and that a disciplinary council would serve no useful purpose.
Formal Church Discipline
On the other hand, the spirit of inspiration may move the Church leader to convene a disciplinary council, particularly if the member holds a prominent position in the Church.
In the scriptures, the Lord has given direction concerning Church disciplinary councils. (See D&C 102 .) The word council brings to mind a helpful proceeding—one of love and concern, with the salvation and blessing of the transgressor being the foremost consideration.
Members sometimes ask why Church disciplinary councils are held. The purpose is threefold: to save the soul of the transgressor, to protect the innocent, and to safeguard the Church’s purity, integrity, and good name.
The First Presidency has instructed that disciplinary councils must be held in cases of murder, incest, or apostasy. A disciplinary council must also be held when a prominent Church leader commits a serious transgression, when the transgressor is a predator who may be a threat to other persons, when the person shows a pattern of repeated serious transgressions, when a serious transgression is widely known, and when the transgressor is guilty of serious deceptive practices and false representations or other terms of fraud or dishonesty in business transactions.
Disciplinary councils may also be convened to consider a member’s standing in the Church following serious transgression such as abortion, transsexual operation, attempted murder, rape, forcible sexual abuse, intentionally inflicting serious physical injuries on others, adultery, fornication, homosexual relations, child abuse (sexual or physical), spouse abuse, deliberate abandonment of family responsibilities, robbery, burglary, embezzlement, theft, sale of illegal drugs, fraud, perjury, or false swearing.
Disciplinary councils are not called to try civil or criminal cases. The decision of a civil court may help determine whether a Church disciplinary council should be convened. However, a civil court’s decision does not dictate the decision of a disciplinary council.
Disciplinary councils are not held for such things as failure to pay tithing, to obey the Word of Wisdom, to attend church, or to receive home teachers. They are not held because of business failure or nonpayment of debts. They are not designed to settle disputes among members. Nor are they held for members who demand that their names be removed from Church records or who have joined another church; that is now an administrative action.................
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moggy lover
They'd probably be standing on a clocktower [watchtowers are in short supply in an urban enviornment] eating out of golden plates
Cheers
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dozy
I've had occasional chats with the Mormons over the years - they send a new couple of missionaries every year from the USA. (Ironically they used to rent a house from a local brother). They are usually friendly , personable young men , if rather tense and limited - they tend to stick rigidly to their script.
I remember discussing and reading the portions of Isaiah from the King James bible that are quoted word for word in the Book of Mormon (supposedly written hundreds of years previously) and neither of them had ever heard of this discrepancy , couldn't think of any explanation and weren't interested in providing one. When I asked if there was any evidence secularly for the existence of the tribes in the Americas , they seemed completely apathetic. It tends to be quite difficult to get any meaningful discussion based on the bible , as they often admit that they don't really know much about it , and have an easy "get out" if they disagree with any scripture ("how do you know that it has been translated properly"). One Mormon told me that this was the first time he had actually opened a bible for months.
As another poster mentioned , due to the lack of virtually any common ground between JWs and Mormons , usually the topic turns to "field service" style experiences (watch out for the dog at 24 Acacia Avenue etc).
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johnnyboi_us_ks
Probably get it on together, since neither are allowed to date at all (unless they are seeking marriage...
I've seen some hot Morman boys, LOL :P
I recommend this movie I watched called "Latter Days"... Story about a gay Morman boy, sad what they do to him. Very Similar to JW's.
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moanzy
The witness would be making fun of the backpacks and the mormon would be making fun of the briefcase,
But I would almost bet the witness would want to know where they their sharp lookin' suits from?(ha ha)
Moanzy