Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-26-06 WT Study (Gathering)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the March 26, 2006 WT Study (February 15, 2006 issue, pages 21-25)(GATHERING) Review comments will be in redWT material from today's WT will be in black
    Quotes from other sources will be in quotes boxesw = Watchtower
    g = Awake

    www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible (various Bible translations online)
    www.reexamine.org (WT publications online)
    www.silentlambs.org (child abuse)
    www.ajwrb.org (blood issue)
    http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm (United Nations issue)

    GATHERING THINGS IN HEAVEN AND THINGS ON EARTH

    "It is according to his good pleasure ... to gather all things together again in
    the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. "-EPHESIANS
    1:9, 10.

    Opening Comments

    In days gone by when all Bible Students claimed to be anointed, they looked forward to this time as a renewing of their future hope to go to heaven to rule with Christ. Their minds were not on a future eternal life on a paradise earth. All would partake, all were going to the same place when they died and that time was soon in their minds.

    April 10, 1914 Memorial (ZWT 3/15/14, p 83)

    The doing of this annually, in harmony with the evident purpose of the Lord in establishing this Memorial instead of the Jewish Passover, makes the occasion a very impressive one, much more so than any celebration which ignores the anniversary feature and celebrates occasionally --monthly, weekly, quarterly, etc. Let us not find fault with others who do differently; but, as opportunity offers, let us inform them of our reasons for observing this great event on its anniversary.
    As often as we do this (yearly) we do show forth the Lord's death until He come. While we believe that our Lord has been present for a number of years--during the Harvest--this does not hinder us from continuing the blessed Memorial of His death. Our thought is that our Lord meant that we were to continue celebrating His death until, at His Second Coming, the full Harvest work of the Age shall be completed, and the entire Body of Christ, the Church, shall be received into glory. Then, as He declared, we shall drink of the New Cup with Him.
    Whereas now we drink of His Cup of suffering, shame, ignominy, reproach, the world's derision and opposition, His New Cup will be a Cup of joy, blessing, glory, honor, immortality--the Divine nature. The Father, who poured for our Lord the Cup of suffering, has already poured for Him the Cup of blessing and glory. As we are privileged to share with Him in this Cup of suffering, so with our resurrection "change" we shall be privileged to share with Him the Cup of glory and blessing. Yea, ours is a mingled Cup now, a bitter-sweet; for by faith we already enjoy many of the things which He has in reservation for them that love Him.

    http://www.ctrussell.us/ctrussell/ctrussell.nsf/22284ee7f683acc9862566bd000b278c/cd5d9ca1060bf3ba8625646100815781?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,memorial

    START OF ARTICLE

    UNIVERSAL PEACE! Such is the glorious purpose of Jehovah, "the God of peace." (Hebrews 13:20) He inspired the apostle Paul to write that His "good pleasure" is "to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth." (Ephesians 1:9, 10) Just what is implied by the verb translated 'gather together again' in this verse? Bible scholar J. B. Lightfoot notes: "The expression implies the entire harmony of the universe, which shall no longer contain alien and discordant elements, but of which all the parts shall find their centre and bond of union in Christ. Sin and death, sorrow and failure and suffering, shall cease."

    glorious purpose

    The WTS devoted a whole book to debunk the vocabulary of C.T. Russell's Divine PLAN of the ages. Yes, God has purposes not plans.

    "gather all things together again in the Christ"

    Not into Jehovah

    Bible scholar J.B. Lightfoot

    At least the WTS names this source; but who is he, what his credentials?

    http://chi.gospelcom.net/DAILYF/2003/04/daily-04-25-2003.shtml

    During the nineteenth century, Joseph Barber Lightfoot became the kind of scholar who could answer such questions. He was probably the greatest Bible scholar in England if not all Europe. After years of study, he was ordained as a priest in the Church of England. In 1861, he became Professor of Divinity at Cambridge College.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Barber_Lightfoot

    J. B. Lightfoot’ s comment that it implies “ the entire harmony of the universe, which shall no longer contain alien and discordant elements, but of which all the parts shall find their centre and bond of union in Christ” ( Notes on the Epistles of St. Paul , 1895, 322).

    "Things in the Heavens"

    2 The apostle Peter summed up the wonderful hope of true Christians when he wrote: "There are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell." (2 Peter 3:13) The "new heavens" here promised refer to the new governing authority, the Messianic Kingdom. "The things in the heavens" mentioned by Paul in his letter to the Ephesians are to be gathered "in the Christ." They are the limited number of humans chosen to rule with Christ in the heavens. (1 Peter 1:3, 4) These 144,000 anointed Christians are "bought from the earth," "bought from among mankind," to be joint heirs with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom. -Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:3, 4; 2 Corinthians 1: 21; Ephesians 1:11; 3:6.

    true Christians--only JWs

    new GOVERNING authority, the Messianic Kingdom

    According to the WTS that governing authority started ruling over only Christians in 33 A.D.

    *** w94 6/1 p. 29 "Jesus Christ Is Lord"-How and When? ***

    And Jesus Christ has ruled as King of kings and Lord of lords over his congregation since Pentecost 33 C.E

    Started ruling in 1878

    *** jv chap. 28 p. 632 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

    , they also concluded that if Jesus' baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King.

    4/15/02 WT p 117

    if we are correct in our understanding of the prophetic teachings, to the effect that the Kingdom power of Messiah was assumed in 1878, and that the King has since been ordering the events which will shortly bring about the great time of trouble, the angry nations, and the wrath of God manifesting itself in their destruction, as nations and institutions --not as people, though, undoubtedly, many human lives will be sacrificed in that trouble.

    http://www.ctrussell.us/ctrussell/ctrussell.nsf/22284ee7f683acc9862566bd000b278c/42dbae405324cf28862564530002e47c?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,1878

    Or was that 1914

    *** w97 7/1 p. 19 Separated to Be Joyful Praisers Worldwide ***

    First, Jehovah has entrusted his people with the truth. The most exciting revelation is that his Kingdom began ruling in 1914.

    Or is that yet to happen

    *** w01 1/1 p. 7 Healing the Wounds of War ***

    Bible prophecies indicate that God will soon replace the present system of human rule with his Messianic Kingdom.

    LIMITED number of humans chosen to rule with Christ

    144,000 anointed Christians--only JWs

    Notice there is no discussion as to how 144,000 is deemed literal, just a few scriptures cited, with a few snippets strung together.

    3 Anointed Christians are brought forth, or born again, by the holy spirit to become Jehovah's spiritual sons. (John 1:12, 13; 3:5-7) Being adopted by Jehovah as "sons," they become Jesus' brothers. (Romans 8:15; Ephesians 1:5) As such, even while on earth, they are said to be `raised up and seated together in the heavenly places in union with Christ Jesus.' (Ephesians 1:3; 2:6) They occupy this elevated spiritual position because they have been "sealed with the promised holy spirit, which is a token in advance of [their] inheritance" reserved for them in the heavens. (Ephesians 1:13, 14; Colossians 1:5) These, then, are "the things in the heavens," of whom the total number foreordained by Jehovah needed to be gathered.

    Anointed Christians--only JWs

    spiritual sons

    only anointed JWs are considered "spiritual sons" and brothers of Christ. Will the great crowd/other sheep every be considered sons of God or brothers of Christ? If the great crowd aren't Christ's brothers, where do they fit into the family?

    *** Holy Spirit book chap. 8 p. 157 "Spirit of Life from God Entered into Them" ***

    Of course, these dedicated, baptized "other sheep" of the "great crowd" have not been begotten to be God's spiritual sons

    Even while on earth..raised up and seated together in heavenly places...elevated

    So this shows why things are not "equal" in the WTS; the anointed are already raised up, elevated.....

    *** re chap. 29 p. 199 Singing the Triumphal New Song ***

    As 1 Corinthians 4:8 shows, anointed Christians do not rule as kings while here on earth.

    The Gathering Begins

    4 In line with Jehovah's "administration," or way of managing things, the gathering of "the things in the heavens" was to begin "at the full limit of the appointed times." (Ephesians 1:10) That due time arrived at Pentecost 33 C.E. That day, holy spirit was poured out on the apostles and a group of disciples, men and women. (Acts 1:13-15; 2:1-4) This gave evidence that the new covenant had come into operation, marking the birth of the Christian congregation and of the new nation of spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God." -Galatians 6:16; Hebrews 9:15; 12:23, 24.

    "administration"

    holy spirit poured on...men and women

    Christian congregation

    only the 144,000; note that in the WT Index that 144,000 is not indexed but the reader is referred to "Congregation of God."

    5 The Law covenant made with fleshly Israel did not produce "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" that would serve forever in heaven. (Exodus 19:5, 6) Jesus told the Jewish religious leaders: "The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matthew 21:43) That nation, spiritual Israel, is composed of anointed Christians taken into the new covenant. To these, the apostle Peter wrote: "You are `a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies' of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (1 Peter 2:9, 10) Fleshly Israel were no longer Jehovah's covenant people. (Hebrews 8:7-13) As Jesus had foretold, the privilege of being a part of the Messianic Kingdom was taken from them and given to the 144,000 members of spiritual Israel.-Revelation 7:4-8.

    anointed Christians taken into the new covenant

    Jesus only mediator then for them; who does he mediate for in prayer at 1 Timothy 2:5?

    As Jesus foretold...given to the 144,000

    Where did Jesus say there were only 144,000 Christians?

    Taken Into the Kingdom Covenant

    6 On the night that Jesus instituted the Memorial of his death, he told his faithful apostles: "You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:28-30) Jesus here referred to a special covenant that he made with his 144,000 spirit-begotten brothers, who would remain "faithful even to death" and prove themselves 'conquerors.'-Revelation 2:10; 3:21.

    Jesus here referred to a special covenant...with his 144,000

    Where did Jesus say there were only 144,000 Christians?

    7 Those of this limited group forgo all hopes of living forever on earth as humans of flesh and blood. They will reign with Christ in heaven, sitting on thrones to judge humankind. (Revelation 20:4, 6) Let us now examine other scriptures that apply only to these anointed ones and that show why the "other sheep" do not partake of the Memorial emblems.-John 10:16.

    LIMITED group

    forgo all hopes of living forever on earth

    scriptures that apply only to these anointed ones--according to the WTS that is 99.9% of the NT.

    8 The anointed share in Christ's sufferings and are willing to submit to a death like his. As one of that group, Paul stated that he was prepared to make any sacrifice so that he might "gain Christ ... so as to know him and the power of his resurrection and a sharing in his sufferings." Yes, Paul was willing to submit himself "to a death like his." (Philippians 3:8, 10) Many anointed Christians have endured in their fleshly bodies "the deathdealing treatment given to Jesus."-2 Corinthians 4:10.

    The anointed share in Christ's sufferings and are willing to submit to a death like his.

    And the great crowd don't have to. Are the requirements of being a Christian different for the anointed than for the great crowd?

    9 When instituting the Lord's Evening Meal, Jesus said: "This means my body." (Mark 14:22) He was referring to his literal body, soon to be beaten and bloodied. Bread without leaven was a fitting symbol of that body. Why? Because in the Bible, leaven can denote sin or wickedness. (Matthew 16:4, 11, 12; 1 Corinthians 5:6-8) Jesus was perfect, and his human body was without sin. He would offer that perfect body as a propitiatory sacrifice. (Hebrews 7:26; 1 John 2:2) His doing so would benefit all faithful Christians, whether they hoped for life in heaven or everlasting life on a paradise earth.-- John 6:51.

    All faithful Christians--only JWs

    Dual CARROT--life in heaven or everlasting life on a paradise earth

    Very rarely, does the WTS direct any comments in the article towards the "anointed" except this time of the year. How many JWs even know an "anointed" JW today?

    BOX ON PAGE 22: "The Body of the Christ": At 1 Corinthians 10:16, 17, Paul, in discussing the particular import of the bread for spirit-anointed brothers of Christ, mentioned "body" in a special sense. He said: "The loaf which we break, is it not a sharing in the body of the Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body, for we are all partaking of that one loaf." When anointed Christians partake of the Memorial bread, they declare their unity within the congregation of anointed ones, which is like a body with Christ as the Head.-Matthew 23:10; 1 Corinthians 12:12,13,18. (End box)

    they declare their unity within the congregation of anointed ones--no unity with the great crowd?

    Did you know that in the past the WTS referred to itself as "the Christ" referring to their being the body?

    WT May 1881, p 218

    But we have already shown that one reason why we are called the Christ, is that we are like our Leader, anointed of the Spirit or power of God.

    http://www.ctrussell.us/ctrussell/ctrussell.nsf/22284ee7f683acc9862566bd000b278c/53ec2c825a8299cd062566e400644cd0?OpenDocument

    10 Concerning the wine that anointed Christians partake of at the Memorial, Paul wrote: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of the Christ?" (1 Corinthians 10:16) In what way do those partaking of the wine `share in the blood of the Christ'? They certainly do not share in providing the ransom sacrifice, since they themselves need redemption. Through their faith in the redeeming power of Christ's blood, their sins are forgiven and they are declared righteous for life in heaven. (Romans 5:8, 9; Titus 3:4-7) It is by means of Christ's shed blood that the 144,000 joint heirs of Christ are "sanctified," set apart, cleansed from sin to be "holy ones." (Hebrews 10:29; Daniel 7:18, 27; Ephesians 2:19) Yes, it is with his shed blood that Christ "bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and ... made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."-Revelation 5:9, 10.

    They certainly do not share in providing the ransom sacrifice

    That means that life is through Christ only not the WTS/FDS/GB.

    Declared righteous

    Are the great crowd declared righteous according to the WTS?

    *** w98 2/1 p. 20 The Other Sheep and the New Covenant ***

    For the other sheep, being declared righteous as God's friends allows them to embrace the hope of everlasting life in a paradise earth

    11 When Jesus inaugurated the Memorial of his death, he handed the cup of wine to his faithful apostles and said: "Drink out of it, all of you; for this means my `blood of the covenant,' which is to be poured out in be half of many for forgiveness of sins." (Matthew 26:27, 28) Just as the blood of bulls and goats validated the Law covenant between God and the nation of Israel, Jesus' blood made valid the new covenant that Jehovah would make with spiritual Israel, beginning at Pentecost 33 C.E. (Exodus 24:5-8; Luke 22:20; Hebrews 9:14, 15) By drinking the wine that symbolizes the "blood of the covenant," the anointed indicate that they have been taken into the new covenant and are receiving the benefits of it.

    Faithful apostles--not Judas per the WTS

    The anointed indicate that they have been taken into the new covenant

    It is not the attendants or the elders who determine who is REALLY anointed.

    Blurb on page 22: Why do only the anointed partake of the bread and the wine?

    12 The anointed are also reminded of something else. Jesus told his faithful disciples: "The cup I am drinking you will drink, and with the baptism with which I am being baptized you will be baptized." (Mark 10:38, 39) The apostle Paul later spoke of Christians' being "baptized into [Christ's] death." (Romans 6:3) The anointed live a life of sacrifice. Their death is sacrificial in that they renounce any hope of everlasting life on earth. The baptism of these anointed Christians into Christ's death is completed when after dying faithful they are resurrected as spirit creatures to "rule together as kings" with Christ in heaven.-2 Timothy 2:10-12; Romans 6:5; 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 50.

    The anointed live a life of sacrifice.

    The great crowd do not??????????????

    Completed...dying faithful

    What the WTS calls the final sealing.

    Are the "anointed" who have been resurrected from 1918 to now, ruling in heaven already???????

    *** w58 4/15 pp. 239-240 The Time to Sing the New Song ***

    The new heavens of Jesus Christ, together with those of his faithful followers who have now joined him in the "first resurrection," are ruling, holding off from destroying his enemies until all the men of good will have been gathered into the grand chorus of the new song, beside the anointed remnant of singers.

    Partaking of the Emblems

    13 Since sharing in the bread and wine passed during the Memorial involves all of this, it would obviously be inappropriate for those having an earthly hope to partake. Those with an earthly hope discern that they themselves are not anointed members of the body of Christ, nor are they in the new covenant that Jehovah made with those who will rule with Jesus Christ. Since "the cup" represents the new covenant, only those in the new covenant partake of the emblems. Those looking forward to everlasting life in human perfection on earth under the Kingdom are neither baptized into Jesus' death nor called to rule with him in heaven. Were they to partake of the emblems, it would signify something that is not true with respect to them. Thus, they do not partake, though they do attend the Memorial as respectful observers. They are thankful for all that Jehovah has done for them by means of his Son, including the extending of forgiveness on the basis of Christ's shed blood.

    It would obviously be in inappropriate for those having an earthly hope to partake.

    But what if God's spirit called them to be a replacement anointed?

    Respectful observers--and those who attend who are not "respectful" may find themselves asked to leave.

    extending of forgiveness on the basis of Christ's shed blood

    But not through the WTS/FDS/GB.

    14 The final sealing of the relatively small number of Christians called to reign with Christ in heaven is nearing completion. Until the end of their life of sacrifice on earth, the anointed are spiritually strengthened by partaking of the Memorial emblems. They feel a bond of unity with their brothers and sisters as members of Christ's body. Their partaking of the emblematic bread and wine reminds them of their responsibility to remain faithful until death.-2 Peter 1:10,11.

    relatively small number

    Hint, hint, you aren't anointed.

    Feel a bond of unity with...members of Christ's body

    Not with the great crowd?

    partaking...reminds them of their responsibility to remain faithful until death

    Don't the great crowd have to remain faithful until death? No more 1914 generation.

    Gathering of "Things on the Earth"

    15 Since the mid-1930's, a growing number of "other sheep," who are not of the "little flock" and whose hope is everlasting life on earth, have rallied to the side of the anointed. (John 10:16; Luke 12:32; Zechariah 8:23) They have become the loyal companions of Christ's brothers, giving valuable assistance in preaching "this good news of the kingdom" for a witness to all the nations. (Matthew 24:14; 25:40) In so doing, they have put themselves in line to be judged by Christ as his "sheep," placed on his "right hand" of favor when he comes to judge the nations. (Matthew 25:33-36, 46) Through faith in Christ's blood, they will make up the "great crowd," who will survive "the great tribulation."-Revelation 7:9-14.

    Since the mid-1930's...other sheep

    The scriptures cited do not prove this premise.

    Loyal companions of Christ's brothers

    That's right, the great crowd are not brothers of Christ, just companions just like a dog.

    Put themselves in line to be judged...when he comes

    New light that this judgement is not taking place but shortly after the great tribulation.

    *** w04 3/1 p. 16 'The Faithful Slave' Passes the Test! ***

    The coming (or, arriving) referred to a number of times at Matthew 24:29-44 and 25:31-46 is at "the great tribulation." (Revelation 7:14)

    Blurb on page 25: Through Jehovah's administration, all creatures in heaven and
    on earth will be united

    16 The final sealing of the 144,000 will clear the way for the unleashing of the "winds" of destruction against Satan's wicked system of things on earth. (Revelation 7:1-4) During the Thousand Year Reign of Christ and his associate king-priests, the great crowd will be joined by untold numbers of resurrected ones. (Revelation 20:12, 13) These will have the opportunity to become permanent earthly subjects of the Messianic King, Christ Jesus. At the end of the Millennial Reign, all these "things on the earth" will be subjected to a final test. Those proving faithful will be adopted as earthly "children of God."-Ephesians 1:10; Romans 8:21; Revelation 20:7, 8.

    final sealing of the 144,000

    That's why they need "replacements" because they haven't been finally sealed.

    Only until the end of the 1,000 year reign do the other sheep/great crowd become "children of God."

    I always wondered how imperfect humans who died suddenly became perfect and given immortal while the rest of humans needed 1,000 years to do the same.

    So if you aren't anointed, you aren't a child of God, or a brother of Jesus. Isnt' that special?

    17 Thus, by means of his infinitely wise "administration," or way of managing things, Jehovah will have fulfilled his purpose "to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth." All intelligent creatures in heaven and on earth will have been gathered together in universal peace, joyfully submitting to the righteous sovereignty of the Great Purposer, Jehovah.

    administration
    purpose
    intelligent creatures
    Great Purposer

    Don't you love WTS vocabulary?

    18 How faith-strengthening it will be for the small number of anointed ones and their millions of other sheep companions to gather on April 12, 2006! They will observe the Memorial of Christ's death, even as Jesus commanded: "Keep doing this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:19) All attending should remember what Jehovah has done for them through his dear Son, Christ Jesus.

    small number of anointed ones
    companions
    --not brothers

    Will they be doing it as Christ commanded?

    Concluding Comments

    Instead of focusing on the meaning of Christ's sacrifice and the how to follow his footsteps closely, 2/3 of the talk on April 12 will be about why no one partakes. The focus will be on the negative not a positive. The ransom sacrifice is not administered by the WTS; you do not have to be at a kingdom hall to keep doing this in remembrance of Jesus.

    Ask yourself, what will happen if I don't go? Am I more worried about what humans will think or what God and Jesus will think?

    It is been a rough week, kiddies. But I'm glad to be here.

    Love, Blondie

    By Way of Review

    - What is Jehovah's purpose for things in heaven and things on earth?
    - Who are "the things in the heavens," and how have they been gathered?
    - Who are "the things on the earth," and what hope is involved?

    Questions

    1. What is Jehovah's "good pleasure" for heaven and earth?
    2. Who are "the things in the heavens" that need to be gathered?
    3. How can it be said that anointed ones are `seated in the heavenly places'
    even while on earth?
    4. When and how did the gathering of "the things in the heavens" begin?
    5. Why did Jehovah create a new "nation" to replace fleshly Israel?
    6, 7. What special covenant did Jesus make with his spirit-begotten brothers,
    and what does this mean for them?
    8. What do the anointed indicate by partaking of the bread? (See box on page
    23.)
    9. What body is represented by the Memorial bread?
    10. In what way do those who partake of the Memorial wine `share in the blood of
    the Christ'?
    11. What do the anointed indicate by drinking the Memorial wine?
    12. How are the anointed baptized into Christ's death?
    13. Why do those with an earthly hope not partake of the Memorial emblems, but
    why do they attend the Memorial?
    14. How are the anointed strengthened spiritually by partaking of the bread and
    the wine?
    15. Who have been gathered to the side of anointed Christians?
    16. Whom will "the things on the earth" include, and how will all of these have
    the opportunity to be come "children of God"?
    17. How will Jehovah's purpose be fulfilled?
    18. How will both the anointed and their companions benefit from attending the
    Memorial?

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    Blondie,

    its 1:45am here in New York, so you must have been up all night in Lithuania preparing this weeks reading!

    You have the stamina of someone performing the pioneer shuffle accross Africa.

    Too tired to read it now, will do tomorrow.

    Thanks for doing this.

    steve

  • scout575
    scout575

    Blondie: Have you ever considered doing a weekly article entitled: 'Scriptures you are unlikely to hear read at chuch this Sunday' ( including kingdom halls )? If you are considering it, here are a few Scriptures that you might like to include:

    1 - "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and I will fight against thee with the long sword of my mouth." ( Rev 2:16 ) Jesus' sinister threat to 'wayward' Christians at Pergamos.

    2 - "And I will kill her children with death." ( Rev 2:23 ) Jesus intentions regarding the 'children' of 'that woman Jezebel' in the Thyatira congragation ( Rev 2:20 ).

    3 - "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." ( Rev 3:16 - Don't you just love Jesus' vocabulary? ) Jesus horrible threat to 'backsliding' Christians at Laodicea.

    As you have a great capacity for identifying points from the Watchtower that you find distasteful, I'm sure you would find countless points from the Bible that you would find even more distasteful. I think there is tremendous mileage in this idea. The above Scriptures were found in just 2 chapters of the NT, which is supposed to be much 'nicer' than the OT. Just think of the 'gems' that you could find in the OT!

  • dozy
    dozy


    How about Comments You Will Not Hear at the March 26, 2006 JWD Forum?

    Now that would be worth a read! Incidentally , some posters describe Blondie's weekly rant against the Watchtower as a critique , in an effort to excuse the fact that she never has anything positive to say. Not according to the definition - Critique has been used as a verb meaning "to review or discuss critically" since the 18th century, but lately this usage has gained much wider currency, in part because the verb criticize, once neutral between praise and censure, is now mainly used in a negative sense. But this use of critique is still regarded by many as pretentious jargon, although resistance appears to be weakening. Note, however, that critique is widely accepted as a noun in a neutral context; 86 percent of the Panel approved of its use in the sentence The committee gave the report a thorough critique and found it both informed and intelligent.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Sorry, stevenyc, I'm a night owl.

    dozy, you can follow the example of scout who started his own thread about scriptures not to be seen in the WT and start your own thread about positive things about the WTS.

    BTW, try and find any place where I referred to what I do as a critique; if I did I don't remember. At the most, I call it a review. If you want to hear something positive about the WTS, I suggest going to the WT study at a local KH where you will never hear anything negative about the 'organization.'

    Blondie (Lithuanians have stamina)

  • freddi
    freddi

    hey blondie, thanks as usual. i always look forward to seeing your posts. i have tried to get a subscription of the mags but they don't even speak to me anymore so it is a joy to see your notes. they are full of so much info on w/t articles. freddi ex j.w. (now a born again Christian)

  • gumby
    gumby
    Incidentally , some posters describe Blondie's weekly rant against the Watchtower as a critique , in an effort to excuse the fact that she never has anything positive to say.

    That's right Blondie....you listen to Dozy....ya hear young lady!

    Your right Dozy, Blondie should do as the Watchtower does with regards to saying something positive about the witnesses..... like the witnesses do toward other religions.

    The Watchtower is continually praising man and religion for doing such a fine job here on planet earth. Never will you hear the Watchtower speak negatively about any religion apart from theirs. Never will you hear the Watchtower put mans governments in a bad light or speak negatively about them.

    Never will you hear the Watchtower say anything negative about mankind that is not involved with the witnesses. Never will you hear the Watchtower speak negatively about the world we live in either.

    Poor Dozy doesn't realise the pot is calling the kettle black again.

    Poor Dozy doesn't realise if the Jehovah's Witnesses were not a cult and didn't teach such wild and absurd teachings, then Blondie wouldn't be doing this every week and discussions about Jehovah's Witnesses would only be found amoung those who put religion down in general...but such isn't the case.

    I don't remember ever seeing websites with forums especially devoted to dissenting Baptists, Lutherans, or Methodists where there are groups of disenters campaigning against their former religion.

    Why do you suppose cults such as the witnesses have their own special websites for dissenters Dozy..... and other non-cult type religions do not?

    Gumby

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Blondie, congrats once again for a work well done. It seems that, along with the arrival of the daffodils and return of the migrating birds, we have the annual ``don't you dare partake" article as the harbinger of Spring. This year, however it would appear that there were three consecutive articles aimed at hammering this point into the heads of even the dullest-minded JW.

    So clearly, the stubborn refusal of the number of ``anointed" to shrink to levels below 8,000 for so many years is a vexation to the gerontocrats. Yet, consider just how much a reduction of that number to zero before Armageddon would force them to rearrange their doctrinal furniture!

  • carla
    carla

    Thanks again Blondie!

  • dozy
    dozy

    "I don't remember ever seeing websites with forums especially devoted to dissenting Baptists, Lutherans, or Methodists where there are groups of disenters campaigning against their former religion. Why do you suppose cults such as the witnesses have their own special websites for dissenters Dozy..... and other non-cult type religions do not? "

    Er - not correct. Try http://exbaptist.blogware.com/ for example. Look on Google groups under alt. whatever you want.Look on factnet - there are message boards for dissent against every religion and organisation under the sun (JWs hardly register , compared to other groups). http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi Do yourself a favour - take time & read through them - the attitudes expressed are incredibly similar to that of ex-JWs. There is a persona that finds it some kind of therapy to be "against" something rather than "for" something.

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