Told to shun DF ones in august 2002 KM

by purplesofa 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    In the vidoe of the elder that went on how the word "shun" had a bad stereotype and said that JW's don't use that word............it baffled me that so many of us have heard that word used in regards to disfellowshipping and this man that had been a PO for 30 years denied it.

    In the August 2002 KM there is an article

    DISPLAY CHRISTIAN LOYALTY WHEN A RELATIVE IS DISFELLOWSHIPPED

    In all fairness I would like to post the whole article but can't type it all out right now........but will when it is not so late......

    On page 4 par 12 it reads.........

    Benefits of Being Loyal to Jehovah:

    Cooperating with the Scriptural arrangement to disfellowhip and shun unrepentant wrongdoing is beneficial. It preserves the cleanness of the congregation and distinguishes us as upholders of the Bible's high moral standards. (1Pet. 1:14-16) It also affords the wrongdoer an opportunity to benefit fully from the discipline received, which can help him to produce "peaceable fruit, namely righteousness." Heb. 12:11

    I don't know if the KM's are on the WT cd...........it would be nice if someone could post this article. I will type it out, like I said, when I have time. But it clearly uses the word shun in this article.

    purps

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    Meaning of SHUN
    Pronunciation: shun
    WordNet Dictionary
    Definition:
    1. [v] avoid and stay away from deliberately; stay clear of
    2. [v] expel from a community or group
  • upside/down
    upside/down

    I coulda swore that elder in the "video" said the Society never uses that word in THAT CONTEXT.

    Must be "new light"...

    Damn 'postates can't keep up with the celestial cherryshit chariot!

    u/d

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    The article tells how to handle Df relatives in the household......DF relatives out of the household......DF minors. and all the WT article references.

  • ObservingTexan
    ObservingTexan

    When I read that quote I was at first, to be honest, inclined to vomit. I am reminded of the following words of Jesus...... Here's the JW's own translation.

    John 8: 1-11

    But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At daybreak, however, he again presented himself at the temple, and all the people began coming to him, and he sat down and began to teach them. 3 Now the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught at adultery, and, after standing her in their midst, 4 they said to him: “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the Law Moses prescribed for us to stone such sort of women. What, really, do you say?” 6 Of course, they were saying this to put him to the test, in order to have something with which to accuse him. But Jesus bent down and began to write with his finger in the ground. 7 When they persisted in asking him, he straightened up and said to them: “Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And bending over again he kept on writing in the ground. 9 But those who heard this began going out, one by one, starting with the older men, and he was left alone, and the woman that was in their midst. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her: “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said: “No one, sir.” Jesus said: “Neither do I condemn you. Go your way; from now on practice sin no more.”

    Matt 7:5

    “Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; 2 for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU . 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to extract the straw from your eye’; when, look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw from your brother’s eye.

  • wheres caleb?
    wheres caleb?
    In the vidoe of the elder that went on how the word "shun" had a bad stereotype and said that JW's don't use that word............it baffled me that so many of us have heard that word used in regards to disfellowshipping and this man that had been a PO for 30 years denied it.

    I watched the video and noted that the elder's posture was no different than any other that I have encountered among those that have committed themselves to representing an image rather than substance. (Substance exists in his own mind, hence the posture)

    Those people make a choice to be 'more clever than honest'.

    'Self-justification' in matters of spin or avoidance of truth requires cleverness. Honesty does not, even if you are misled.

  • garybuss
  • gumby
    gumby
    It also affords the wrongdoer an opportunity to benefit fully from the discipline received, which can help him to produce "peaceable fruit, namely righteousness."

    I wonder how in the hell they figure it benifits someone?

    Your supposedly in a bad spiritual state to begin with so everyone shuns you, even your elders can speak with you only twice a year unless you ask them, you are cut off from good fellowship and must live as a loner or associate with worldly ones, others who are not witnesses who know of your plight think your religion is insane to treat you in such a manner. Your reputation in your congregation will always be remembered that you were once..."disfellowshipped" same as "he's been in prison before"

    So.......how does it benifit you? How does it benefit anyone? Why not let each person decide for themselves if someone is dangerous enough to pal around with...rather than make a hard and fast rule for all others to abide by?

    Gumby

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Thanks Gary..............is that on CD?

    This is the article that should have been used to question the elder.

    ******************

    August 2002 Kingdom Ministry

    Display Christian Loyalty When a Relative Is Disfellowshipped

    1. The bond between family members can be very strong. This brings a test upon a Christian when a marriage mate, a child, a parent, or another close relative is disfellowshipped or has disassociated himself from the congregation. (Matt. 10:37) How should loyal Christians treat such a relative? Does it make a difference if the person lives in your house hold? First, let us review what the Bible says on this subject, the principles of which apply equally to those who are disfellowshipped and to those who disassociate themselves.

    2. How to Treat Expelled Ones: God's Word commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man....Remove the wicked man from among yourselves." (1 Cor. 5:11, 13) Jesus' words recorded at Matthew 18:17 also bear on the matter: "Let [the expelled ones] be to you as a man of the nations and as a tax collector." Jesus' hearers well knew that the Jews of that day had no fraternization with Gentiles and that they shunned tax collectors as outcasts. Jesu was thus instructing his followers not to associate with expelled ones. --See The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, pages 18-20.

    3.This means that loyal Christians do not have spiritual fellowship with anyone who has been expelled from the congregation. But more is involved. God's Word states that we should 'not even eat with such a man.' (1 Cor. 5:11) Hence, we also avoid social fellowship with an expelled person. This would rule out joining him in a picnic, party, or trip to the shops or theatre or sitting down to a meal with him either in the home or at a restaurant.

    4. What about speaking with a disfellowshipped person? While the Bible does not cover every possible situation, 2 John 10 helps us to get Jehovah's view of matters: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him." Commenting on this, The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 25, says "A simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowhipped person?"

    5. Indeed, it is just as page 31 of the same issue of The Watchtower states: "The fact is that when a Christian gives himself over to sin and has to be disfellowshipped, he forfeits much: his approved standing with God;....sweet fellowship with the brothers, including much of the association he had with Christian relatives."

    6. In the Immediate Household: Does this mean that Christians living in the same household with a disfellowshipped family member are to avoid talking to, eating with, and associating with that one as they go about their daily activities? The Watchtower of April 15, 1991, in the footnote on page 22, states: "If in a Christian's household there is a disfellowshipped relative, that one would still be part of the normal, day-to-day household dealings and activites." Thus, it would be left to members of the family to decide on the extent to which the disfellowshipped family member would be included when eating or engaging in other household activites. And yet, they would not want to give brothers with whom they associate the impression that everything is the same as it was before the disfellowshipping occurred.

    7. However, The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 28, points out regarding the disfellowshipped or disassociated person: "Former spiritual ties have been completely severed. This is true even with respect to his relatives, including those within his immediate family circle....That will mean changes in the spiritual fellowship that may have existed in the home. For example, if the husband is disfellowshipped, his wife and children will not be comfortable with him conducting a family Bible study or leading in Bible reading and prayer. If he wants to say a prayer, such as at mealtime, he has a right to do so in his own home. But they can silently offer their own prayers to God. (Prov. 28:9; Ps. 119:145,146) What if a disfellowshipped person in the home wants to be present when the family reads the Bible together or has a Bible study? The others might let him be present to listen if he will not try to teach them or share his religious ideas."

    8. If a minor child living in the home is disfellowshipped, Christian parents are still responsible for his upbringing. The Watchtower of November 15, 1988, page 20, states: "Just as they will continue to provide him with food, clothing, and shelter, they need to instruct and discipline him in line with God's Word. (Proverbs 6:20-22; 29:17) Loving parents may thus arrange to have a home Bible study with him, even if he is disfellowshipped. Mabye he will derive the most corrective benefit from their studying with himalone. Or they may decide that he can continue to share in the family study arrangement."--See also The Watchtower of October 1, 2001, pages 16-17.

    9. Relatives Not in the Household: "The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home," states The Watchtower of April 15, 1988, page 28. "It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if they were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum," in harmony with the divine injunction to "quit mixing in company with anyone" who is guilty of sinning unrepentantly. (1 Cor. 5:11) Loyal Christians should strive to avoid needless association with such a relative, even keeping business dealings to an absolute minimum.--See also The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, pages 29-30.

    10. The Watchtower addresses another situation that can arise: "What if a close relative, such as a son or a parent who does not live in the home, is disfellowshipped and subsequently wants to move back there? The family could decide what to do depending on the situation. For example, a disfellowshipped parent may be sick or no longer able to care for himself financially or physically. The Christian children have a Scriptural and moral obligation to assist. (1 Tim. 5:8) .... What is done may depend on factors such as the parent's true needs, his attitude and the regard the head of the household has for the spiritual welfare of the household."--The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, pages 28-9.

    11. As for a child, the same article continues: "Sometimes Christian parents have accepted back into their home for a time a disfellowshipped child who has become physically or emotionally ill. But in each case the parents can weigh the individual circumstances. Has a disfellowshipped son lived on his own, and is no unable to do so? Or does he want to move back primarily because it would be an easier life? What about his morals and attitude? Will he bring 'leaven' into the home?--Gal. 5:9."

    12. Benefits fo Being Loyal to Jehovah: Cooperating with the Scriptual arrangement to disfellowship and shun unrepentant wrongdoers is beneficial. It preserves the cleanness of the congregation and distinguishes us as upholders of the Bible's high moral standards. (1 Pet. 1:14-16) It protects us from corrupting influences. (Gal. 5:7-9) It also affords the wrongdoer an oppotunity to benefit fully from the discipline received, which can help him to produce "peaceable fruit, namely righteousness."--Heb. 12:11.

    13. After hearing a talk at a circuit assembley, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immeditately after the assembley, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact. Shortly thereafter, his mother began attending meetings and was eventually reinstated. Also, her unbelieving husband began studying and in time was baptized.

    14. Loyally upholding the disfellowshipping arrangement outlined in the Scriptures demonstrates our love for Jehovah and provides and answer to the one who is taunting Him. (Prov. 27:11) In turn, we can be assured of Jehovah's blessing, King David wrote regarding Jehovah: "As for his statutes, I shall not turn aside from them. With someone loyal you will act in loyalty."--2 Sam. 22:23, 26.

    Questions:

    1. What situation can test a Christian's Loyalty?

    2. According to the Bible, how are Christians to treat those expelled from the congregation?

    3,4. What sort of fellowship with disfellowshipped and disassociated people is forbidden?

    5. When disfellowshipped, what does a person forfeit?

    6. Is a Christian required to cut off all association with a disfellowshipped relative living in the same household? Explain?

    7. How does spiritual fellowship within the home change when a family member is disfellowshipped?

    8. What responsibility do Christian parents have toward a minor disfellowshipped child living in the home?

    9. To what extent should a Christian have contact with a disfellowshipped relative living outside the home?

    10, 11. What will a Christian consider before allowing a disfellowshipped relative to move in the home?

    12. What are some benefits to the disfellowshipping arrangement?

    13. What adjustment did one family make, and with what result?

    14. Why should we loyally support the disfellowshipping arrangement?

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    Your supposedly in a bad spiritual state to begin with so everyone shuns you, even your elders can speak with you only twice a year unless you ask them, you are cut off from good fellowship and must live as a loner or associate with worldly ones,

    Thanks Gumby

    Besides all that.............you are sentenced to DEATH! when DF.

    They tell you as long as you are in that state and have no favor in God's eyes....you will not be saved at Armegeddon.

    It is a very traumatic experiance...........been there, done that.

    purps

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