Are Women Allowed To Be Ministers?

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  • moggy lover
    moggy lover

    There is at least one reference to a woman of rank in the Apostolic Christian Church, which has set a favourable precedent for our times.

    In Ro 16:1, Paul commends one Phoebe, who is said to be a "Dia-con-e" of the Cenchrea church. The word has had a cotroversial history in Evangelical circles, especially the Ulra-conservative, Taliban wing of the Christian Church today. It can simply refer to a "servant" in a secular sense, [An attitude appently assumed by the WTS], or a "waitress" serving at a table in a tavern. But when used within a Church context, as here, it admits to a meaning of some authority in the Christian community.

    Several translation use the word "minister" here: Helen Montgomery NT, JB Rotherham, and JN Darby. Calvin used the word "deaconess" and so do the Living Oracles NT, and Gods Word To The Nations translation. Several Conservative translations recognize this as well because they allow for "deaconess" in their footnotes [NIV, NASV etc]

    I am aware of several Baptist Churches that have Deaconesses, as do the SDA church


  • Beep,Beep


    Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence. "


    1Ti 2:11

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

    1Ti 2:12

    But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


    1Ti 2:11

    Let the woman 1135 learn 3129 in 1722 silence 2271 with 1722 all 3956 subjection. 5292

    1Ti 2:12

    But 1161 I suffer 2010 not 3756 a woman 1135 to teach, 1321 nor 3761 to usurp authority over 831 the man, 435 but 235 to be 1511 in 1722 silence. 227


    1Ti 2:11

    Let a woman learn in silence, in all subjection.

    1Ti 2:12

    And I do not allow a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.


    1Ti 2:11

    Let a woman in quietness learn in all subjection,

    1Ti 2:12

    and a woman I do not suffer to teach, nor to rule a husband, but to be in quietness,

    Sorry but he's right, it is in the Bible. 1st Timothy 2:11,12

  • MsMcDucket

    My neice is going to college to be a "minister". She goes to a Quaker college called Friends.

  • rwagoner

    This is the position of the Lutheran Orthodox Church:

    Women in the Ministry

    There is much debate today concerning women in positions of leadership in the ministry. Setting the basic tone is Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

    How does all of this lead up to women ministers? Perhaps you are thinking that although we have laid a biblical foundation for "neither male nor female" in Christ, certain verses in the New Testament still seem to ban women from ministry positions in the church. Let's examine these verses for the true interpretation.

    "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law" (1 Corinthians 14:34).

    "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Timothy 2:11-12).

    In these verses, Paul cannot be addressing women who were in the ministry, but rather those in the congregation who were out of order. How do we know this? We have many such proofs, many from Paul himself. Here is a partial list of women who were all in influential positions of leadership in the early church.

    Pheobe (Romans 16:1-2): This woman was a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea, who was beloved of Paul and many other Christians for the help she gave to them. She filled an important position of leadership. It would be a difficult stretch of the imagination to say that this woman fulfilled her duties without ever speaking in the church!

    Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla and her husband Aquila are often mentioned with great respect by Paul. Together they were pastors of a church in Ephesus, and were responsible for teaching the full gospel to Apollos. We are informed that they both taught Apollos, and pastored the church together. In fact, Priscilla is sometimes listed ahead of Aquila when their names come up. This has led some to speculate that of the two, she was the primary teacher and her husband oversaw the ministry. At any rate, we see here a woman in a very prominent position of teaching and pastoring. (Other references to Priscilla and Aquila are Acts 18:2, 18; Romans 16:3, and I Corinthians 16:19).

    Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2-3): Here we see reference to two women who were "true yokefellow" and who labored with Paul in the advancement of the gospel.

    Junia (Romans 16:7): In this verse we see Paul sending greetings to Andronicus and Junia, his "fellow-prisoners" who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a woman's name. In some modern translations, an "s" has been added (Junias) because the translators were so sure a woman could not be an apostle, that they assumed a copyist has accidentally dropped the "s." However the proper male ending would have been "ius," not "ias." No church commentator earlier than the Middle Ages questioned that Junia was both a woman and an apostle.

    Though there were other women throughout the Bible in positions of leadership, such as prophetesses, evangelists, judges, leaders, etc., the above references should be enough to establish that women were indeed a vital and normal part of church leadership. Paul expected women to speak in the church, or else why would he have given the following directive? It would have been useless to give directions for women who were speaking in the church, if they were never allowed to do so.

    1 Corinthians 11:5, "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven."

    Furthermore, if Paul believed that all women should never teach or speak in church, why does he commend many women who did just that?

    Even in Paul's day, there were those who tried to twist the meaning his words.

    "...His (Paul's) letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction" ( 2 Peter 3:16).

    It is a fair conclusion that the testimony of the bulk of Scripture, church history and God's anointing upon them, all speak plainly for women being able to fulfill all positions of the five-fold offices of apostle, prophet, pastor, evangelist and teacher.

    The Lord gave the church gifts of His choosing in the form of men and women who would lead the church into perfection (Ephesians 4:8-12).

    It is the Lord who calls men and women to His ministry. He does not call special people, but the call goes out to "whosoever will." First, we are called to salvation; then as we walk in obedience to Him, He calls for us to be baptized in His Holy Spirit. As we continue to obey and follow Him, He then may choose us to serve Him in a full-time ministry. He chooses people for the ministry out of those who have walked in obedience to His other calls. He desires that all follow, but can only choose those who are obedient. These men and women who have answered the call are set in the ministry by Jesus Himself. Man's ordination does not qualify them, but the ordination of God does. Men will recognize those who are truly called by Him. They will even recognize women who are called of God as God empowers them with His anointing and power which cannot be denied.

    When this Scripture says, "appointed and gave men to us," it does not mean just the male sex. The same man whom God created in the beginning which included male and female is the one referred to here. These "men" are both male and female and they have a responsibility to bring others into the maturity that they possess.

    Based on what we believe to be sound scriptural examples, we welcome the work of women in the ministry and support the ordination of qualified women called to His service.


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