this is why i keep saying that apostacy is about more than just shedding religious doctrine. it's about shedding all fake fears, and staring the true fear in the eyes. it's about more than fear of natural disasters and whatnot. it's about the fear of meaninglessness.
atheists are going to hate me for saying this, but imo we all have our drugs that make us feel better about existence, and take our focus off of the possibility that this is all there is, *AND* it's a lose lose situation. ie: it sucks bad.
for example, like you said about philosophy, science and logic and rationality can be a drug too. it assumes that there is an ultimate truth out there, somewhere, even if we haven't fully grasped it yet. it assumes the great potential of our species. that science will one day make the world a better place, free of ignorance and idiocy. and we may not stop to ask: "*why* do we want it to be *better*?" we want it to be better, regardless of the mechanism, because it is just SO hard to stop and say: "there is no meaning, and no point. it's about the survival of genes, NOT about my personal happiness."
We may have outgrown the gods, but I doubt we'll ever outgrow the strategy of fear which I feel is the essence of religion. Even describing this process in a philosophical way is basically a religious act reflecting the very same strategy.
yes. exactly what i try to say.
personally, i feel that such "great" and "true" and "down to earth" things like:
are manifestations of this fear. avoidance of the true fear that has haunted our subconscious since childhood. the fear of meaninglessness.
paradoxically, i have been *thinking* about *meaningless* for a while now. i keep testing out different things that might hint at maybe, just maybe, some meaning, after i have shed all of the so-called "good" meanings like morals and logic and betterment. things like "slutdom", "depravity", "sex drugs and rock n roll".
and i think i am doing this still, instead of just taking James Thomas' advice and looking inward, because if the only meaning i find in the face of external meaninglesness is internal meaningfulness, then i am really just kidding myself. even if slutdom was the only meaning to the universe, it would be some comfort against the possibility that there is no meaning. it would be an *external* meaning, which for some dumb reason i think is better than internal meaning.
so, i'm getting to the point where i ask myself: what's wrong with only internal meaning? and really, i think james is right although i don't want to admit it. there is nothing wrong with it. it's all we have. make up anything you like, it's all the same difference. as in: "why fight the biology? just go with it."
Ignorance and lack of knowledge about science, physics and human psychology made them accept these myths as fact.
see seven? this is sort of what i am talking about. this statement (though i agree with it technically, 100%), still assumes that science and rationality point us toward some "better" place. we don't know what it is, but we still believe in it.
but i have to ask, why do we believe in anything? why must we have *something*, anything, that will give us hope for a better future? because of FEAR.
and before all you religious nuts come out of the woodwork and say: "see! religion (or spirituality) is the answer!" - stop. stop right there. admitting that science, and philosophy (even though they get the job done, technically) are just manifiestations of this fear narkissos speaks of, makes religion and spirituality even dumber.
you get it? there is no hope. there is no meaning. science works better, yes. but it doesn't change a damn thing in the end.
and before you say: "well tetrapod, it's better because it's good, and people suffer less thanks to it." - stop. and ask yourself: what is "good"? what is "better"? what is "less suffering"? what is "right"? and what is "wrong"?
there are no answers. just understanding the nature of the question.