by AlmostAtheist 59 Replies latest jw friends
Jesus was Michael the Archangel--God's first created being, his "only begotten son"--before Jesus the man was born on earth.
Someone's identity is defined by their memories.
Jesus didn't remember his pre-existence until baptism.
Jesus the man wasn't God's pre-existent, "only begotten son" before baptism.
Christ served the punishment for Adam's original sin. This was necessary because God demands that justice be served.
Since Christ paid for Adam's sin alone, God's justice demands that people must pay for their own personal sins through their own death.
Except for those who live through Armageddon. Their personal sins are overlooked.
If the first set is infinite, what would be half of it?
daystar,
Haven't you ever heard of a split infinitive?
AuldSoul
(1) The Faithful and Discreet Slave have authority over all Christ's belongings.
(2) The Governing Body has authority over the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
(Conclusion) The Governing Body doesn't belong to Christ.
AuldSoul
More fun with math: ( reductio ad absurdum ) - we try to prove something that is ridiculous, but then end up proving it is absurd, and so therefore it must be false.
Example: assume that the square root of 2 is some fraction of two integers: maybe some two numbers like a/b...
[proof follows, edited for clarity, but please see the wonderful book "The Golden Ratio" by Mario Livio, pages 38-39.]
to paraphrase Livio: by process of logic, one can show that the common denominator of "b" is AT THE SAME TIME both an EVEN and an ODD number. This means therefore, NO square root of ANY number which is not a perfect square ( 9 and 4 are perfect, but NOT 2 or 3, etc.) can possibly be expressed as a whole number or even by a fraction of two whole numbers. They are therefore IRRATIONAL numbers. They produce decimal fractions without end, like Pi or Theta.
Legend has it that when the ancient greek numerologists discovered these irrational numbers, they tried to keep them secret from outsiders (did not fit their god concept!), and if any student revealed them to the "unwashed", then such a person would be PUT TO DEATH.
Sound a little like the Governing Body circa 1979 and the "chronology"?
Re: What MUST Jw's believe that they don't KNOW they believe
Almost Atheist you mean something like this:
1) jesus was the first thing God created
2) Jezus helped God to create the universe
3) Time is a property of the universe
cosclusion: Jezus is created outside time, and he could not have been really dead (not existent for 3 days). He did not had a beginning, so was not cerated
The GB claim to be the spokesman of the FDS the elite of the FDS, which means they should consult them often about all sorts of issues, if they speak on their behalf they must be given something from them to say to the world. But in fact they never do and no doubt loathe the idea of doing so.
1) jesus was the first thing God created2) Jezus helped God to create the universe
3) Time is a property of the universe
cosclusion: Jezus is created outside time, and he could not have been really dead (not existent for 3 days). He did not had a beginning, so was not cerated
Or, a twist on this one:
Jesus was the first thing God created, right? A "first" implies a "second", third", etc., i.e. a sequence of events traceable chronologically back to Jesus' creation. In other words, time began when Jesus was created.
But it has been demonstrated that time is physical property of the physical universe. It is not independent of the universe, it is an essential part of it. So, if time began at Jesus creation, that is equivalent to saying the physical universe began at Jesus' creation. The physical universe, i.e., the big bang, was created as a sort of "by-product" of Jesus' creation.
So how was it that Jesus was the "master worker" who designed the physical universe?
Hey, this is kind of fun!
But it has been demonstrated that time is physical property of the physical universe.
Where?
Time is a mental construct and a form of bookkeeping that measures the distance between events according to a fixed norm.
What is bizarre is all those endless eons before the act of creation when Jehovah must have floated like a turd on the currents of nothingness in a kind of vacuous stupor. Talk about unemployment! What a slacker!
T.
But it has been demonstrated that time is physical property of the physical universe.Where?
Einstein's Theory of Relativity, forget whether it is the Special or the General. Always get the 2 mixed up.
