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  • VM44

    I think it is safe to say that Fred Franz did NOT know Hebrew forward AND backward. --VM44

  • VM44

    Wasn't there a $2,000,000 judgement awarded against The Watcthower?

    It was the largest judgement against them in their history.

    Of course they made sure none of the parties can talk about it. Have to keep it secret!


  • VM44

    Found it! --VM44

    :: March 05, 2003 ::

    Why did Jehovah's Witnesses pay the largest cash settlement in its history?

    The largest settlement ever paid in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses occurred this past October, but no news outlet has yet reported it.

    The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which is the umbrella organization over 6 million Witnesses worldwide, paid the estate of Frances Coughlin $1.55 million dollars rather than let a jury decide the wrongful death lawsuit.

    Frances Coughlin's surviving family sued Jehovah's Witnesses, also known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, in State of Connecticut Superior Court at Milford (CV-00-0072183 S).

    The principle defendant was a "Bethelite," or full-time ministry worker, who drove recklessly in bad weather and killed Ms. Coughlin, a mother and grandmother, on October 8, 1998.

    That Bethelite Jordon Johnson was traveling between "Bethel," which has housing for its full-time workers in Patison, New Jersey and Brooklyn, New York, to a Witness Kingdom Hall he was assigned to in Derby, Connecticut.

    Johnson was found guilty of vehicular manslaughter, but only served 30 days in jail and was sentenced to two years probation. Subsequently, he and Jehovah's Witnesses faced a civil suit filed by Ms. Coughlin's surviving family for damages.

    Why was the Witness organization willing to pay more than $1.5 million dollars?

    Apparently because a much larger issue of "agency" was at stake.

    Agency is the word used to express a relationship between a principal party and its agent, through which the principal party projects its power and/or advances some purpose. And a principal party may be held liable for the actions of its agent.

    Jehovah's Witnesses contended that Jordan Johnson acted on his own and was not their agent at the time he caused the fatal car wreck.

    But plaintiff's counsel, Joel Faxon of Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, claimed on his client's behalf that Jordan Johnson was serving as a Bethelite and agent of the organization at the time and advancing their purpose, therefore Jehovah's Witnesses was responsible for his actions.

    Internal documents were obtained through the discovery process and testimony was given through depositions, which clarified and substantiated Faxon's view.

    I was retained as an expert witness and consultant for this case by the plaintiff's counsel.

    My role was to assist in the discovery process, provide research and generally help to form a basis for an understanding of how Jehovah's Witnesses employ, use and control Bethelites and others within their organization. Ultimately, I would have also testified as an expert in court.

    That testimony would have included explaining in clear terms how the organizational dynamics, indoctrination and objectives of Jehovah's Witnesses impact individual members and more specifically full-time workers such as Bethelite Jordan Johnson.

    But on the first day of trial Jehovah's Witnesses decided they didn't want a jury to decide this case and instead $1.55 million was paid to the plaintiff.

    The organization that claims it is waiting for the ever-eminent "end of the world" decided to settle in a pragmatic move to protect its long-term interests and more than $1 billion dollars of accumulated assets.

    Again, why would the Witnesses do this if they actually believed they had no meaningful liability?

    Certainly the cost to complete the case in court would be far less than $1.55 million dollars. Why not let the jury decide?

    But the seemingly shrewd Witnesses realized that there was just too much at stake and didn't want to risk a "guilty" verdict.

    Currently the organization known as Jehovah's Witnesses faces a growing number of lawsuits filed by former members who feel the organization has hurt them.

    The personal injuries were allegedly caused by elders and others acting in accordance with the organization's policies and doctrines, which include such matters as blood transfusions and sexual abuse.

    Seemingly to protect its assets the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses and its many Kingdom Hall congregations have in recent years created a myriad of corporate entities to apparently contain liability.

    That is, each corporation is seemingly only responsible for its own specific actions and not the action of others. Again, this appears to be a rather pragmatic legal approach to protect the assets amassed by Jehovah's Witnesses over more than a century.

    But what if Jehovah's Witnesses are nevertheless responsible or liable for the actions of its agents, which would include elders and others throughout its vast network of districts and Kingdom Halls?

    Well, now you can see why the check was likely cut for $1.55 million in the Coughlin case.

    Jehovah's Witnesses were apparently concerned about what legal precedent a jury might set that could ultimately affect other claims pending or potentially possible in the future against the organization.

    Many people seem to think that Jehovah's Witnesses or the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is focused on the end of the world and a coming kingdom. At least that's the impression many have when its members come knocking at the door.

    But through the Coughlin case a different view of the organization emerges, which looks more like a business protecting its worldly assets and focused on the bottom line. [Posted by Rick Ross at 07:09 AM][Link]

  • VM44

    Anyone know of this Jordon Johnson at Bethel?


  • VM44

    There is a JORDON R JOHNSON, age 63, listed for Brooklyn, Bay Shore, and Wyandanch, all in NY state.

    Could this be the man?


  • VM44

    There was the Bonham, Texas case where the congregation suceeded from The Watchtower, and The Watchtower wanted to keep the physical assets, ie, the former Kingdom Hall, and so sent its lawyers to try to retain the assets.

    The Watchtower lost, and since has taken steps that if local Kingdom Halls are dissolved, the assets will, in one way or another, be kept within The Watchtower organization.


  • VM44

    From the archives of the lawfirm Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder PC

    News for Attorney Joel T. Faxon

    Case: Coughlin v. Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York
    Date: October 1, 2002

    $1.55 million dollar mid-trial settlement arising out of motor vehicle death. Jehovah's Witness defendants claimed that the driver who caused the death was not their employee but rather was on his own private religious trip at the time of the accident. Joel uncovered evidence of the sect's activities and obtained secret documents during discovery that bolstered the case and caused the Jehovah's Witnesses to pay the highest settlement amount in their history. No offers to settle were made by Jehovah's Witnesses until after the trial commenced

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    russell lost the mircle wheat case 1912 russell lost the case with the daily eagle 1913 russell lost the case against some pastor that wrote a book calling russell a false prophet.1913 rutherFRAUD LOST THE case in 1918 that sent him and 6 other wt big wig to jail. they lost many of the child molester cases were the wt sent lawyers to court. and these jw's went to jail. i even think the wt lost a recient case werwe a jw was run over in fs by and elder in florida. at the hall. there are many the wt loses... john
  • VM44

    Here is what one poster here at JWD wrote about the Coughlin case. --VM44

    Did you notice the "Internal documents were obtained through the discovery process" part? It seems that Joel was handed a BOE letter and also some sort of bethel letter given to bethelites that reside there. The BOE letter states that ALL JW's are volunteers and do not have to attend meetings, field service, etc. But, the bethel letter is quite the opposite. It states that bethelites are REQUIRED to do the above mentioned items. Once these two conflicting letters came to light, the WTS snapped like a mousetrap and paid out.
  • Kaput
    Not according to the website quoted. This was taken straight from that website

    Q. You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew, do you?

    "A. I do not speak Hebrew.

    "Q. You do not?

    "A. No.

    "Q. Can you, yourself, translate that into Hebrew?

    "A. Which?

    "Q. That fourth verse of the Second Chapter of Genesis?

    "A. You mean here?

    "Q. Yes?

    "A. No. I won't attempt to do that."

    The following is an excerpt from the book by A.H. MacMillan, Faith on the March, page 182, wherein MacMillan says this about Fred Franz:

    He is also a scholar of Hebrew and Greek as well as of Syriac and Latin, all of which contribute to making him a thoroughly reliable mainstay on Knorr's editorial staff.

    A scholar? Yeah, right.

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