Dave, right on, sees comments below.
Leoliea, you sure know how to water the camels. And drawn from such a deep well too. Thank God, you managed to escape from the taliban-like thought police before they put a halter and burka on you.
From the links you directed me to, I see that there is no fixed boundary whatsoever, between Holy Scripture, semi-wholly scripture, engravings on an ancient tyrant’s wall or plain ole down-to-earth graffiti in a public privy. And the time frame is from the days of Enoch down to the first and second centuries and no doubt you would continue it down to our day.
For discussion purposes of 2 Tim 3:14-16, I have copied the following from Nark’s post from the second link, which expresses concisely, what I was trying to say in this thread.
Like (slightly caricaturing) "anything you can find anywhere which is upbuilding to you and seems to confirm your faith is inspired of God and beneficial".
Paul reminds Timothy, that from infant sacred writings you have known, the (ones) being able you to make wise into salvation through faith. (WT interlinear) (I need help with the Greek here, does the (ones) refer back to sacred writings or are sacred writings without an article)
In any case, it would not be reasonable to believe that Timothy’s grandmother and mother would have access to all the many writings especially since many of them had not even been written. Whatever part they did have, would have been sufficient to establish their faith.
While Paul was writing to Timothy, was he telling him that what he was writing was part of All Scripture? He did tell him he was an apostle, but does that make his writings God inspired and hence automatically a part of the accepted Canon of his day.
In 2 Cor. 4:4 Paul says that the god of the age this blinded the mental powers of the unbelievers. (WT interlinear). Cannot this god (theos) use god-breathed scriptures to accomplish his designs?
1John 4:1 Loved (ones) not to every spirit be you believing, but to be proving the spirits if out the God it is. (WT interlinear)
If any of my words here are in error, diabolic, that is in opposition of what someone else holds sacred, would they not be useful for setting me straight in harmony with other accepted writings? Can I go against the orthodox consensus?
Upon what basis is any scripture called Holy? Who chooses the bible canon? Many of the Writings Leoliea has listed survived because some group made them sacred in their eyes and preserved them in isolated places. The Nag Hammadi writings were carefully hidden so they would not be destroyed because they were considered sacred or holy by somebody, but others thought they were garbage and destined for burning. Thank God for diversity.
. I realize that reading 2Tim 3:14-16 can have different meanings for different readers. It is not easy to switch meanings. As I read these verses my mind switches from one to the other. At times I wonder which opinion will prevail. From between expressed differences of opinion what is so will flow forth eventually.
belbab, I shall return.