Is the bible just Jewish Mythology?

by MsMcDucket 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Imo the Hebrew Bible contains very little mythological stuff by any strict definition of the word (stories of gods and superhuman heroes connected to ritual and worship). Apart from the first 11 chapters of Genesis, most of it consists of mythemes or myth fragments scattered in non-mythological material.

    Now if you extend the definition of "myth" to legends, tales, historical fiction, ideological propaganda, religious hymns and poetry, that obviously makes much more.

    Otoh I feel the NT is way more mythological (although not exclusively Jewish) than the OT.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    I don't agree that the bible is totally a book of myths because a substantial part of it has been confirmed by secular history and archaeology. Some myths perhaps crept in, but it's the parts dealing with the salvation of mankind that really matter and these are genuine.

  • GetBusyLiving
    GetBusyLiving

    :but it's the parts dealing with the salvation of mankind that really matter and these are genuine.

    Such as...?

    GBL

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Yes and No. Not all the Bible is myth. The OT is best thought of as an anthology of literature of ancient Israel and Judah, containing history, myths, legends, poetry, songs, philosophy, proverbs, a law code, social commentary, fiction, etc.

    Just like the Greeks and Romans had their mythological gods, the Jews did too??

    You mean like Yahweh, El, Asherah, Baal, Molech, etc.? Sure they did. Check out John Day's Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan. But much less so after the Babylonian Exile, which produced a new normative monotheism (cf. Deutero-Isaiah). The old gods were maintained especially in Jewish colonies that did not experience exile, such as the Jews in Egypt.

  • MsMcDucket
    MsMcDucket

    OK, the story about the Exodus of the Jewish people. Moses has to free the Isrealites from the Egyptians. Ok, the people did something bad to make God let them be captives, and then he had to keep reshowing them how powerful that he was because they would keep forgetting...

    It just seems so odd that a person could see something so magnificent as the parting of the Red Sea and forget it. And then there are scientist saying that something akin to a "sunami" happened to part the Red Sea, so was it just good timing by Moses? Did it really happen?

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    MsMcDucket,

    The Exodus story, and especially the parting of the sea, is a very good example. Here (I mean, not only in the book of Exodus, but even more clearly in other texts apparently referring to the same "event," especially in the later portions of Isaiah) we have a faint echo of ancient mythology, as illustrated by the Ugaritic cycles about the fight of Baal vs. Yamm (the Sea) and/or Lotan (Leviathan). But the main thrust of the Exodus story is different. It is not about the origins of the world. It is part of a great national narrative (Patriarchs, Slavery in Egypt, Exodus, Conquest) which is only a myth in a secondary sense, that is, a foundational myth for Israel. It retrojects on the distant past the ideology of the Jerusalem colony who had returned from the Exile in Babylon, namely the notion that the "true Israel" is not the "people of the land" but those who have been exiled to foreign land and now come back with the divine Torah. From this perspective it all becomes very clear.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    1) First of all, it wasn't the Red Sea. The actual Hebrew expression referred to a reedy body of a water, likely the Bitter Lakes in Egypt.

    2) The idea that the sea was "parted" is a rather late version of the story, and one likely influenced by the Chaoskampf myth (cf. especially Isaiah 51:9-10 which directly relates the two together). The older verison of the story in the Song of the Sea (Exodus 15) does not claim that the waters were divided; they instead were heaped up and piled together, as if they were dammed up.

    3) The story is not that the Jews were slaves in Egypt because they had done anything wrong. They were slaves because a new king arose who did not know of the Jews' privilege with the former pharaoh.

    4) There was a guy thirty years ago who suggested that a tsunami caused the miracle at the sea. His idea has not been accepted by historians and scholars, and it is geologically improbable. Moreover, the event thought to have caused the tsunami (the eruption of Santorini) probably did not occur at any of times suggested to have been the time of the Exodus.

    Did it really happen?

    Maybe. It's hard to tell. Some scholars take the early date of the Song of the Sea (determined by linguistic and stylistic evidence) as evidence of the historicity of the exodus. But this is rejected by many others, since the poem mentions things dating centuries later (such as the Temple in Exodus 15:17), so even tho it is early, it is not early enough. The narrative is even later, but appears to have details that fit well with the Nineteenth Dynasty (especially ch. 1 and 5), tho even these could be recalled or known later (and employed to embellish a fictional story). It should be recalled that Israel and Judah had people in the population whose ancestors left Eygpt in the Hyksos expulsion, others who were POWs pressed into slavery, and the land as a whole was under Eygptian control for centuries before Israel came into existence. So I have no doubt that some memories of a sojourn in Egypt and an escape from Egypt may ultimately have germs of historical basis, but my opinion is that the exodus story as a whole is a nationalistic legend that integrates memories and tales about two or three hundred years of oppression and individual exodus events, and which posits a single unifying event that explains how the nation came into existence.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Narkissos....LOL, you keep beating me to the punch today! Second time!

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    the parts dealing with the salvation of mankind that really matter and these are genuine.

    Genuine by whose standards?

  • MsMcDucket
    MsMcDucket

    Leolaia

    3) The story is not that the Jews were slaves in Egypt because they had done anything wrong. They were slaves because a new king arose who did not know of the Jews' privilege with the former pharaoh.

    Why was God letting his people be slaves?

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