One for the ladies...

by Pathofthorns 35 Replies latest jw friends

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  Pathofthorns

  A post on Witnet reminded me of this old question from Readers in the 1960's. (And you thought we were sexist )

  *** w61 12/15 767-8 Questions from Readers ***
   How can girls guard against temptation in this sex-crazy world?
  When a girl reaches the age of puberty or physical maturity, her body has developed in the matter of sex more than in the mind. Young folks like to be together, first in groups, later in twos. If they have not been instructed by their parents in regard to the matter of sex, a boy and a girl are likely to become too familiar and to engage in what is popularly called petting or necking. They may practice this for a time and see no bad results. However, the time will come when there will be great danger in such actions. Why? In answer to this question, we can learn about nature and sex from the bovine family of mammals, both wild and tame.

  Large herds of cattle, both male and female, wander over the plains feeding. Ordinarily the male or bull would not think of approaching the female or cow for sex purposes. If he did approach he would not receive a hearty welcome, but, rather, he might be gored by the cow’s horns. There is no petting or sex relations between bull and cow permitted, because the female is not in physical condition to breed. The bull seems to understand this and keeps in his own place. However, when the female of the species is in condition to breed, she makes the matter known. If there is no male in the herd, she will go elsewhere looking for one and she is unsettled until she finds one and then is bred by him. Now she is contented, and the end result is a calf. In this connection it is interesting to note that the male animal has no season at which he is not willing to engage in the breeding act.
  If we humans would take a lesson from these creatures, we would learn something of importance in matters of sex, as to its purpose and the results of its operation.

  As with a cow, when a young girl who has reached her puberty is in physical condition to conceive and become pregnant, her sex emotions are greatly aroused. If she has association with a boy, she is inclined to think that it is the sweetness of the “boy friend” that causes this delightful and new feeling, and so she becomes infatuated with him. If the boy friend should become sexually aroused and lets her know it and then she yields her body to the advances of the amorous boy friend, she is likely to become pregnant as a result of just one sex experience of this kind.
  Some persons foolishly think that they know when it is “safe” to have sex contact with those of the opposite sex and thus avoid becoming pregnant, but this is a serious mistake on their part. Even learned biologists do not know exactly when there is no danger of conception for a woman. This is due to certain irregularities in the case of various females.

  When the ovum, that is, the egg cell from which the baby starts, is at large or is on its way from the woman’s ovary through her Fallopian tube to the uterus, there it remains for an uncertain length of time, which varies greatly with different females. Then is the time when conception can take place if the ovum is met by a male life sperm. During that same time the female is sexually aroused and is ready for the sex act that at this time will cause a baby to result. This bearing of children is the sole privilege of the female. In fact, this is one main reason for creating the female of the human species.

  There are cases where a girl became pregnant as a result of one sex interview with a boy. What a price for a girl, a virgin, to pay for a few minutes of satisfied sex emotions! When persons start in this dangerous and sinful course, they find it hard to overcome future temptations. When a young, unmarried girl falls to the temptation, the price she pays is terrible: shame, sorrow, a ruined reputation, endless troubles, with the danger of being disfellowshiped from a congregation if the girl is a dedicated member.

  It is high time for girls to understand the make-up of their bodies and its functions, especially with regard to sex. Then if a girl understandingly takes care of herself while the ovum is at large and is causing sex disturbance and cravings within her, she will be able to act like a true lady of irreproachable morals at all times. She will avoid the violating of her virginity and the shame and conscience-stricken state due to this; and wisely she will direct her young life so as to end up in the position of a clean, happy wife and mother of legitimate children, journeying to the new world of righteousness, where there will be no sex problems amid a sex-crazy population.

  LOL Maybe its just my impression, but do you think an old guy wrote this article with zero input from a female?

  Sadder still, is that there probably were women at the time, who filed this article away, just in case they needed to refer to this "valuable information"

  Path
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  Seven

  Path, The same scholar no doubt provided this gem:

  You wouldn't think of choosing to eat a meal of filthy garbage, would you? What, then, if you are continually exposed to mental garbage? It is bound to become part of your thinking. When watching a motion picture, you are, in effect, associating with the kinds of persons being portrayed on the screen. And movies are deliberately designed to involve you emotionally with the characters, often arousing sympathy for the wrongdoer-the fornicator, the homosexual, even murderer. Do you want to get involved in such a way with homosexuals, lesbians, fornicators, adulterers and criminals?

  And this:

  And consider this: How did the majority of homosexuals get to be that way? By spending time thinking about it and by associating
  with others who were that way.-Y2 p120-121
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  RedhorseWoman

  Ah yes, cows in heat, and gay by association. The WTBTS has always been a fount of scientific knowledge! MOO! [8>]
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  Angharad

  Does this mean that all the times Simon has called me a silly cow he was actually saying I was sexy
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  RedhorseWoman

  Ang, that depends. Were you in heat at the time? LOL
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  puppylove

  One thing that always disturbed me, even when I was deep into the whole JW thing, was the way that women were treated and talked down to.

  I think it's that whole 1950's mentality - especially for those on the GB and the CO's who were brought up during that era. Women were to look nice, keep quiet, cook dinner, clean the house and give their husbands sex. They were not to speak out, to correct a man, to put forth their own opinions and especially not "teach" in the congregation. What BS!

  Off with the head!
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  nelly

  >characters, often arousing sympathy for the >wrongdoer-the fornicator, the homosexual, even >murderer. Do you want to get involved in such a >way with homosexuals, lesbians, fornicators, >adulterers and criminals?

  I'm probably being picky, but I noticed from the quote that the sex *sinners* get mentioned before murderers and criminals in both sentences,
  to me that seems to imply in order of importance that homosexuals and fornicators are more dodgy to hang around with than murderers
  nelly

  sorry for digressing off the origanal direction, all this talk of being in heat constantly has exci....ummm distracted me ;-)
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  Tigger

  The first thing that came to my mind after reading that was 'next this guy will be agreeing with female genital mutilation... "why not but the girls out of their sex crazied misery and do them a favour, then their virtue will be intact and everyone will be happy". What Id like to know was if this guy was ever married, if so for how long did his poor wife tolerate this 'put the girlys in their place' attitude?
  I used to really hate the position that women were deligated in the congregation. I used to sit through bible readings and watchtower studies with grit teeth as guys would stumble through mispronouncing words and clearly not understanding what they were reading. Extremely frustrating when your a speed reader, with an above average IQ. My father used to glare at me because I would groan quite audibly everytime certain individuals would make a mistake reading...I only did it to piss them off though.
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  Simon

  Its similar to how the Catholic church viewed sex/women and got everything mixed up. In the book of sins masturbation was a much more serious crime than rape as as least rape could lead to pregnancy which was gods arrangement...Same as in the bible really - what happened to a woman who was raped ? She had to marry him...
  What amazes me is how many sisters in the cong put up with the put downs and go along with it all.
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  Pathofthorns

  What do you think? Same author?

  *** w64 1/15 63-4 Questions from Readers ***
  ó According to the Bible at Deuteronomy 22:23-27, an Israelite engaged girl threatened with rape was required to scream. What is the position of a Christian woman today if faced with a similar situation? Is she to scream even if an attacker threatens her life with a weapon?—M. U., United States.

  According to God’s law an Israelite girl was under obligation to scream: “In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, you must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they must die, the girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city, and the man for the reason that he humiliated the wife of his fellow man.” If, however, the attack took place in a field and the woman screamed and thus tried to get away from the attacker, she was not to be stoned, since she was overpowered and there was no one to rescue her.—Deut. 22:23-27.

  But suppose the man had a weapon and threatened to kill the girl if she failed to lie down with him? These scriptures do not weaken the argument or alter the situation by citing any circumstance that would justify her in not screaming. It plainly says she should scream; hence, oppose the attack regardless of the circumstances. If she was overpowered and perhaps knocked unconscious and violated before help came in answer to her screams, she could not be held accountable. The thought of the scriptures apparently is that the girl’s screaming, by attracting neighborhood attention, would frighten off her assailant and would save her, even though he threatened her life for not quietly complying with his wishes and passionate desires.

  Such Scriptural precedents are applicable to Christians, who are under command, “Flee from fornication.” (1 Cor. 6:18) Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation. The Christian woman who wants to keep clean and obey God’s commandments, then, if faced with this situation today, needs to be courageous and to act on the suggestion made by the Scriptures and scream. Actually this counsel is for her welfare; for, if she should submit to the man’s passionate wishes, she would not only be consenting to fornication or adultery, but be plagued by the shame. There would be shame, not only from the repulsiveness of the experience, but of having been coerced into breaking God’s law by having sex connections with one other than a legal marriage mate. Not only that, but she might become an unwed mother, or she may contract a terrible disease from her morally debased attacker.

  It is true that a woman faces the possibility her assailant will carry out his threat; but, then, what guarantee does she have that such a desperate criminal would not kill her after satisfying his passion?

  In fact, such a one, perhaps already hunted by the law, may be more likely to kill her after the attack, since she would then have had a greater opportunity to identify him and would therefore be in a better position to supply a description of him to the authorities. In such case, following the Scriptural counsel of screaming could well save one’s life by attracting attention and driving the attacker away at the outset, instead of causing him to feel that he must get rid of his victim for fear of being identified later.

  In most instances it is doubtless a matter of calling the assailant’s bluff, since the girl’s screams could result in his arrest for attempted rape. Also, if he carried out his threat and committed murder, he would face the likelihood of apprehension and conviction for this even more serious offense. Of course, there is the possibility that instead of fleeing immediately, the attacker may strike his victim or inflict a superficial wound to silence the screams, yet would not the endurance of such physical punishment be insignificant compared to the disgrace and shame of submitting to an immoral man?

  A Christian woman is entitled to fight for her virginity or marital fidelity to the death. Just how best she can defend herself against anyone who wants to defile her depends upon her courage and quick wits. At least, as has been mentioned, she should first try to frighten off the would-be rapist by screaming and making as loud and noisy a spectacle of the matter as she possibly can, in order to summon any convenient aid. This being unavailing, then she has a right to defend her virtue by whatever means she can. Emphasis and bold added by Path

  This, in retrospect, must be one of the saddest, most insensitive pieces of work ever produced by the WTBS. While this policy was in effect (right up until the early '80s) God knows how many sisters faced not only the horrors of rape, but then the shame heaped upon them by the congregation if they did not scream, (a command that was done away with when Christ died).

  Whoever this author was, he just wouldn't quit.

  *** w68 6/1 347-9 The Christian's View of Self-Defense ***
  ATTEMPTED RAPE
  If you are a Christian woman, what should you do if, in spite of all precautions, you are set upon by a rapist? If you cannot deter him by reasoning, or by calling upon the name of Jehovah, then what? As a Christian you are under obligation to resist. This resistance includes screaming and creating as much disturbance as possible to try to frighten off the attacker and attract help. If the attack continues and you cannot break free to flee, then you would be justified even to inflict damage on your assailant if necessary. Resistance is imperative, because the rapist is after, not just money, but your virtue. An issue of integrity to Jehovah’s laws is involved here. So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication.—1 Thess. 4:3.

  …Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to “flee from fornication.” (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case. But you have no guarantee that if you meekly submit, your assailant will not kill you anyhow to avoid identification. [bold added]

  Here's how one sister responded to her attacker.

  …She told him that marriage was honorable before God and that she was married, but that what he wanted to do was not honorable. Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed[/b] as far as she was concerned. [bold added]

  Edited by - Pathofthorns on 1 October 2000 7:7:13