This Jeremiah book is a joke!

by OneDayillBeFree 15 Replies latest members adult

  • OneDayillBeFree
    OneDayillBeFree

    I mean its all a joke but that study this week on why to stay single was just another one of the many, MANY silly studies I've heard in a long time.

    Theres one part where a reg. pioneer from Spain says that she knows married couples that are happy and some that aren't. Now I'm assuming that those marriages she spoke of were JW's (the supposed "happiest people on earth!")

    The funny thing is that the advice the org gives to those who have trouble about staying single is to go out on service more. And pray more. And study the watchtower more. You could go to the elders saying that you have a problem with over-eating and another brother could go to the elders saying he commuted murder in the past and another elder saying he had molested some children and guess what the advice would be??? Yup same as with the first problem.

    Another thing is that the jdubs can't seem to realize that the org. Only wants them to stay single so that they can recruit more people and bring them more money. It's just sad. But true.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Linked your thread here for easy reference.

    Take Care

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Incidentally, p.95 par.8 makes reference to Isaiah 56:4, 5 in a footnote. Isaiah 56:4-7 says:

    For this is what Jehovah has said to the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths and that have chosen what I have delighted in and that are laying hold of my covenant: 5 "I will even give to them in my house and within my walls a monument and a name, something better than sons and daughters. A name to time indefinite I shall give them, one that will not be cut off. 6 "And the foreigners that have joined themselves to Jehovah to minister to him and to love the name of Jehovah, in order to become servants to him, all those keeping the sabbath in order not to profane it and laying hold of my covenant, 7 I will also bring them to my holy mountain and make them rejoice inside my house of prayer. Their whole burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be for acceptance upon my altar. For my own house will be called even a house of prayer for all the peoples.. . . (NWT)

    The NICOT-Isaiah commentary (John N. Oswalt, Vol II, pp.460-1) had some interesting thoughts about this passage, made more interesting by comparing them with long standing WT 'understanding.' Concerning the "eunuchs" (vv. 4, 5) and the "foreigners" referred to in verses 6 and 7, he says:

    The first phrase [of verse 6] increases the shock value of this passage because the word used, saret, minister, refers typically to cultic service (60:7, 10; 61:6). The idea of foreigners performing such service seems to have been so repugnant to the scribe of 1QIs a that he omitted it (See Rosenbloom, Dead Sea Isaiah Scroll, pp. 62-63).

    [Compare this with the Society's explanation that the 'great crowd's' serving God in the "temple" (Greek naos) has to be in some outer courtyard because only the 144,000 would be allowed in the temple sanctuary. In other words, the WT has the same predjudicial view as the Dead Sea Scroll scribe mentioned above. Note also that the term "cultic" above is used in reference to the preistly and Levitical service. - Bobcat]

    . . . They [the foreighners and eunuchs] do this [service] as an expression of the astounding fact that the last bastion of Jewish pride, the covenant, has been breached and every living person is invited to become a partaker of eternity's most amazing offer: God committing himself to the good of his people no matter what it may cost him. Again, the links with chapters 49 - 55 are instructive. The Servant has sealed a new covenant available to all who love his name (49:8, 54:10; 55:3).

    [Note that Isa 49:8 is linked to the great crowd in Rev 7:16 which quotes from Isa 49:10. Isa 55:3 is part of the context quoted in Rev 22:17 and offered to "anyone that wishes."]

    . . . God had not chosen Israel and given them all that he did in order to shut out the world, but to bring in the world. All of Israel's separation from the world was in order to keep Israel from being absorbed into the world and thus losing the ability to call the world out of itself into the blessings of God. But should Israel ever come to believe that its separation was so that Israel could keep her God and his blessings to herself, then all was lost. It is precisely this attitude that infuriated Jesus (Matt. 21:13).

    [Note the similar attitude of the WT attempting to keep the new covenant to itself. In Matt. 21:13 Jesus quotes from Isa 56:7. Also noteworthy is a comparison of the commercializing of the service in the temple in Jesus' day with the gathering evidence that the WT is fleecing its flocks via Assembly Halls, RBCs, and other arrangements.]

    [End of quotes. All material in brackets is Bobcat's.]

    Overall, the WT wants the great crowd to make eunuchs of themselves but still denies them what Jehovah has promised those eunuchs and foreigners: A place within his new covenant arrangement.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    OneDay:

    My apologies for side-tracking the thrust of your thread.

    It was about singleness.

    Take Care

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I came across this on llamacool's drama thread.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2mF63PL96g

    Lousy drama and full of platitudes. I have to say that everyone other than the heroine were far more engaging. The heartthrob had ambitions beyond pioneering, for instance. The biggest dispute in the goody-good home? He's not picking up after himself. Not a word how the two are supporting themselves as full-time pioneers.

    The whole thing stinks.

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    Thanks Bobcat for that. Very instructive. So all it proves is that not only Jews but people of the nations ("heathen") will be allowed to serve God. This tendency to apply Biblical information exclusively to WT doctrine was already noticible in their commentary of Isaiah. See their interpretation of Is. 45:20-25 in vol II of Isaiah's prophecy. Here they apply the escapees to Israel, where it actually points to individuals from the nations. Give me Chrstendom's commentaries any day. Much more reliable.

  • fakesmile
    fakesmile

    ouch, my brain hurts.

  • XBEHERE
    XBEHERE

    Yes I totally agree. This Jeremiah book is terrible. They are totally trying to co-erce JWs to do what they want them to do without actually saying to do it. Total wrong application of scriptures. I mean do they really think that EVERYTHING that Jeremiah went through is 100% applicable to our day? Seriously?

    So far the book has taught the following:

    Higher education=bad

    Worldly people=bad

    Having children=bad

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    My wife "phoned-in" to the meeting this past week and I hear them talking about being single yadayadayada. . . I said Really? What in the world does any of that have to do with Jeremiah? She just rolled her eyes in recognition of how wacky this study was. . . .

    They have a mighty big hammer to get those square pegs to fit into the round holes.

  • The Quiet One
    The Quiet One

    "I hear them talking about being single yadayadayada. . . I said Really? What in the world does any of that have to do with Jeremiah? " ... Um, he was commanded to be single.. Just sayin'

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