I remember learning at some WT school that World War 1 occured before Satan was chucked out of heaven.
Did anyone else on JWN learn anything similar?
usualusername
What date in 1914 did Satan get chucked out?
by usualusername 28 Replies latest jw friends
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usualusername
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breakfast of champions
Let's see, let me get my ruler out and re-measure this pyramid here. . .
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Flat_Accent
I'm sure the WT claimed Christ's first punch up with Satan was October 1914. Don't know the quote, Blondie will probably have it.
But yes, WW1 started in July, after Franz Ferdinand released their single "The Dark of the Matinée" if memory serves me right.
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thetrueone
Wasn't Satan and his wicked evil forces supposedly cast out of heaven and down to earth when Jesus supposedly
took upon his kingdom in heaven in 1914 ?
I don't think the WTS ever came out with an exact date that year though.
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Glander
Glad you asked. I paid $14.00 for the court recorder to provide xerox copies. Satan was served papers on August the 3rd, 1914 and was evicted on October 17th of that year. His ratty furniture was left at the curb. His reported last words as he was frog marched out by two deputies were "You M-----F-----'s will be sorry!"
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Eiben Scrood
I thought it wasn't until 1918 that he was cast all the way out and that's when he incited the authorities to inprison the Watchtower officials.
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St George of England
*** w11 9/1 pp. 8-9 The World’s Secret Ruler Exposed ***
Christ’s activity on earth in the first century sounded the death knell for the Devil and his demons. When Jesus’ disciples related how they had cast out unseen demons, he told them: “I began to behold Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven.” (Luke 10:18) With those words, Jesus was rejoicing at his future victory over the ruler of the world, to take place once Jesus was back in heaven as Michael the archangel. (Revelation 12:7-9) A thorough study of Bible prophecies indicates that this victory took place in heaven in or shortly after 1914.
*** bh p. 217 1914—A Significant Year in Bible Prophecy ***
From October 607 B.C.E. to October 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. Since there is no zero year, from October 1 B.C.E. to October 1914 C.E. is 1,914 years. By adding 606 years and 1,914 years, we get 2,520 years. For information on Jerusalem’s fall in 607 B.C.E., see the article “Chronology” in Insight on the Scriptures, published by Jehovah’s Witnesses.
George
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Kojack57
Question: How do we even know if Satan was cast out in 1914 since the WB&TS is apparently wrong about that date. For all we know Satan is still allowed access to heaven. The book of revelation is a prophecy about the future a lot of it definitely not fulfilled ?
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thetrueone
Just one of the many BS stories that was presented by the WTS. to heighten interest in their published works.
Bullshit sells better than the truth .
To add to this BS story by the WTS. here is some more information why the doctrine of 1914 is a fraud, perpetrated by this publishing house.
- Matthew 24:3
- " . . . what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
- Problem:
- J.W.'s argue that the Greek word "parousia" means "presence", hence the return of Christ will only be noticed by those who see him with the eyes of discernment. This is said to have taken place in 1914. Literally, it is argued, Jesus will never set foot on the earth.
- Solution:
- "Parousia" according to Greek authorities can mean presence, 1 but this does not necessarily imply an invisible presence. For example, the coming of Titus (2 Cor. 7:6,7); the coming of Stephanas (I Cor. 16:17); and the coming of Paul (Phil. 1:26) requires the personal presence of these persons. Similarly, the "bodily presence" (Greek: parousia) of Paul in 2 Cor. 10:10 is obviously what the record implies - a literal visible presence.
- Jesus warned against false prophets who would teach an "invisible return". Jesus said: "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in . . . the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Matt. 24:26,27). This verse is directly opposed to a view which states Christ returned to rule invisibly in 1914 (i.e., he's in the secret chambers). Nor does one ordinarily associate lightning, which can be seen across the sky, with an event which is unseen.
- Jesus will return literally and visibly to the earth. This is proven by the following evidence:
- "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst . . . " 2 (Zech. 14:4). This passage in itself is conclusive. Christ will be the name-bearer of Yahweh (vs. 3, LORD=Heb. Yahweh) as was the angel of the LORD. (Exod. 23:20,21 ). Christ will literally return to the mountain from which he left. (Acts 1:10,11). This event will fulfill the promise of the two men which said, "this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." 3 (Acts 1:11). He ascended literally and visibly until a cloud received him out of sight from the disciples. This is the "like manner" in which he will return.
- The inhabitants of Jerusalem and the house of David will look upon "me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." (Zech. 12:10; cf. 13:6). How is this to take place unless Christ returns personally to the earth? (cf. Rev. 1:7 - "and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.")
- Matthew 24:3
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