Milking 1935 "New Light" for all it's worth with the wife. Ideas? Please?

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  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Nutshell: "New Light" (May 1, WT QFR) has been read by my dub-loyal wife. How do I make the most of it?

    I have read the other recent 1935 threads and they have been VERY helpful. All I'm asking for here is ideas on good ways to get the most mileage out of it in conversations with my dub-loyal wife.

    Any and all ideas are earnestly requested.

    The long-winded update, which follows, relates how I've broached it with her so far.

    LONG-WINDED UPDATE:

    So, we're at the robot arm-raising session (aka Cong. Bk Study) using the "Revelation Orgasmic Climax" book last night and there's a sentence in the material saying that the collecting of the anointed has been completed. Nice & neat. Clear & simple. And, BTW, "old light".

    So I'm waiting to see if the conductor is going to bring it up. And I wait....................... and I wait........... This guy always stretches the study waaaaaaaayyyyyy out. But he doesn't say a peep about the anointed class being filled. He's about to move on to the next paragraph!!! Nooooooo!!!!! I can't let this opportunity pass.

    I raise my hand and he jumps on it like a pioneer at a garage sale since I'm not exactly an "arm pumper", "oooh, ooooh, call on me" kind of guy. Especially since we've started the Revelation book for the 3rd, 4th? time.

    My opening words: "This sentence here where it says ........... ( I read the sentence ). Uhhhh,...................We've gotten a new light bulb on this." (Yes, those were my exact words. I wanted just the right level of flippancy) ....................... Conductor has a deer-in-the-headlights look. Dead silence. I wait about 3 or 4 seconds to let it sink in. ...................... Still the deer-in-the-headlights look from the conductor...........................

    And then,............ I experience a moment of intense, internal terror. I realize I may have just outed myself as a nasty ol' 'postate. It dawns on me that I haven't actually read the QFR from my own, personal, treasured copy of the CrapTower. I just read the PDF version here on JWD. Doh!!!! WHAT IF, FOR SOME REASON, OUR CONGO HASN'T GOTTEN THE MAGS YET?!?!?! Oh noooooooooo!!!!!! What have I done?!?

    Well, I take another second to compose myself and decide to forge ahead. "Yeah, the May 1 Watchtower has a Questions From Readers that sounds like this statement is no longer current." (I'm still getting a variety of disquieting looks from everyone so I decide to throw in this disclaimer.) "Well, I only read it once, I might have gotten it wrong. But, I don't think so. Check it out."

    Now Mr. Bambi, the CBSO, has finally started to pull himself back together. ( I think he's a little disappointed with himself for not being the first in the circuit to spot this blessed "new light". ) He says something like: "Well, I haven't seen that myself. But, it sounds like we have some "new light". Thank you brother Open Mind".

    So we get home and my wife is eager to check out the QFR. She races for our stash of "food at the proper time" while I'm wondering what I'm going to say if the May 1 CrapTower isn't there. I think the angels must have flown in some copies, because, thank goodness, there it was. Pheww!!! Crisis narrowly averted.

    So, as per our usual post-meeting routine, we're in the bedroom, out of earshot of the kids, changing out of our respective Borgwear uniforms. She reads the QFR and she brings up how she's heard through the grapevine about someone we know who's fairly young and started partaking this year. We speculate about whether the number of partakers is going to spike.

    Then I bring the conversation around to how the FDS (Frikkin Despicable Spinmasters) have yet again played fast and loose with dates. I tell her that I can remember some old folks when I was a little kid arguing about 1931 vs. 1935 and how both dates kind of seemed like they were just pulled out of their ass err...... thin air. I made a quick reference to 1975 and then the "generation" change. My clincher statement that I think may have penetrated her Cognitive Dissonance shield just a little bit was this:

    "You know, when it comes to picking hard-and-fast dates, I take what I read in the Watchtower any more with a humongous grain of salt."

    Her head didn't spin around. Her eyelids didn't flutter. She didn't drop to the ground and go into spasms.

    She didn't agree or disagree. I think she was just actually chewing on what I said.

    Fast forward a few minutes to the kitchen table and the kids are able to listen in, but not actually part of our ongoing conversation. She finishes up with a statement something like this:

    "Well, I just think it's good that the organization is humble enough to make changes when it's necessary. They're not rigid like the Catholic Church."

    I'm sure all you good JWD readers would agree with those words of wisdom wouldn't you? It took everything in my power to hold back a torrent of bile in response.

    Timing is everything. Pick your battles. She wanted to make her PR plug for the Borg in front of the kids, and I just said something like "Yeah, I suppose that's true." And I let it slide. I know it doesn't sound good as you read it, but, trust me, the time wasn't right to push back. I do plan on revisiting that particular statement at another time.

    So, wrapping up, the only real mileage I've gotten out of this whole 1935 thing so far is: "When it comes to dates, I don't trust the Craptower."

    Any thoughts on how to get more mileage out of this "new light"?

    Thanks for reading.

    Open Mind

  • sir82
    sir82

    You might ask her, "what do you think about the line there that says the anointed do not have any "special insight", then show a few of the approximately 18 bazillion quotes from their own literature wherein the FDsdo claim to have special insight. There ought to be a few dozen right there in the Rev book itself.

    "I'm trying, but I just don't get it. How can anointed persons be 'the faithful & discreet slave', the sole channel that God uses on earth today, but they "don't have speical spiritual insight? Can you explain that to me?"

  • Shawn10538
    Shawn10538

    How about transitioning over to a conversation about 1914. If 1935 was wrong, then what about 1914? Could that be wrong? What about 1925 which Rutherford said was more soundly brought out in the scriptures than 1914?

  • Shawn10538
    Shawn10538

    How about transitioning over to a conversation about 1914. If 1935 was wrong, then what about 1914? Could that be wrong? What about 1925 which Rutherford said was more soundly brought out in the scriptures than 1914?

  • dust
    dust

    Sooo... when others change their teaching, it means that those other religions are false religions. But when the WTS changes their teaching, then it is a sign of humbleness.

  • AlphaOmega
    AlphaOmega
    "Well, I just think it's good that the organization is humble enough to make changes when it's necessary. They're not rigid like the Catholic Church."

    That's exactly what my study co-ordinator said when I discused this. I can't wait to show him the following article...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5406552.stm

    It's an article about the Catholic Church's "New Light" of its own regarding who can and who can't get into Heaven. (Strange that it's in the same month as the JW New Light !!)

    From the links on the BBC website, it seems that this idea was being kicked around for ages before being anounced as new dogma.

    Let's not forget that the Catholic Church also alowed it's members to eat meat on Friday in the 1970s, something previously forbidden. The WT picked up on this change and devoted a magazine to it.

    http://home.c2i.net/norman/changes.htm

    Hope this helps.

    AO

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    Hey OM,

    I was so close to bring this same issue up last night. Unfortunately, I get stuck reading (guess my fade isn't going as well as I hoped) and I almost choked on that sentence. I sat there and wanted to bring up the 1935 thing but figured I would just wait and see if the BS conductor er, overseer, would bring up the point. Of course, he did not and neither did anyone else. I should actually look over the lesson prior to going so I can take advantage of this stuff, but its bad enough sitting through it once. I'm sticking that 5/1 WT in my Rev book so I can read it straight out of the article the next time this comes up.

    Also, that same paragraph brags about how the "John" class gets all this spiritual insight yet the 5/1 article clearly says they don't have any special insight. So which is it?? I'd vote for #2.

    OM, you've inspired me to broach the subject again with the wife. The last time we talked about the problems with the WTS, she said that they aren't tied to any dates (???? WTF????). But, this crappy book is filled with so many bogus dates that it makes the date conversations much easier.

    I'm watching this topic for any other good suggestions!

  • carla
    carla

    I have no comment other than to say I need to book mark this page it was so funny! Me & my non jw kid were laughing about you thinking you outed yourself!! haha, thanks for the laugh. Sorry you have to endure the meetings though.

  • Lunamoth
    Lunamoth

    Open Mind,

    I'm a noobie, I would like to read that QFR could someone put a link up for it, please and thank you!

    Love and Laughter,

    Lunamoth

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    Hi, I haven't read any responses yet, but are you and your wife aware of the RC Church going back on their Limbo for babies teaching? I am not sure exactly what all they are doing with it, but there are some definite changes being made there. So the RC church IS willing to make changes:) Does that make them as good and humble as the WT? Time will tell:)

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