My last District Convention (I hope) ... observations

by ithinkisee 62 Replies latest jw friends

  • ithinkisee
    ithinkisee


    So last weekend was my last District Convention. I plan on breaking the news to my wife real soon. Nowadays even at the meetings my blood pressure raises and my back gets all tense as I sit and listen to some of the stuff we are supposed to believe.

    I knew I would probably keel over from an aneurism or something at the District Convention if I employed the same methods of listening that I did at the KH. So I took an opposite stance and actually took semi-copious notes. Figured I would share them with all.

    If you are working on your family members for getting out of the JWs - a heads up on some of these talks may help you to make off-handed comments to your loved ones during the course of the convention. There are a few opportunities:

    Some general patterns of the talks that I noticed:

    Most on the convention's theme of "Godly Obedience" started with how worthless we are as imperfect flesh. Then they would being up Jehovah's saving ability, and our "obeying" will make us feel less worthless - maybe even valuable in Jehovah's eyes. There was a lot of "if you love Jehovah you will want to obey". To me this sounds more like an abusive relationship.

    There was a catch phrase used through almost every interview with publishers, etc. - "No regrets" - in their decision to avoid lucrative secular employment, scholarship opportunities, etc. This was uttered countless times - almost every life experience (several dozen) from youths on up had that phrase. And if they didn't use it particularly - the speaker would ask it - "Any regrets?"

    This was highlighted with the drama that everyone marveled over... how Timothy had "no regrets" of choosing the full-time ministry over college and a lucrative business career with his friend and how he was blessed.

    More generalizations that shouldn't surprise me anymore, but still do, is the frequent insinuations that all educated people are snobby elitists, doctors are the same way. They imply that educated ones don't take to the "Truth" because they are too full of themselves. One speaker (which I will detail later) quoted from another religious magazine that said, "The higher the education level of a person, the harder it is to lead them." What gall they have. My wife was particularly impressed with that quote - to which I responded - "But you have to be careful with a statement like that - does this mean the Society wants only uneducated people as followers? If so, that sounds very cultish."

    Another pattern I noticed - on Friday and Saturday they really let the hammer fall as far as obedience goes. Especially Friday. I surmise this has something to do with the fact that Fridays you won't have many general public or newly interested ones (This is only my opinion though) . Saturday was pretty harsh too. Then Sunday all of a sudden everything was about Jesus and "true Christianity". Sunday is when the bible studies and general public supposedly attend. Stepping back and looking at it from my perspective now it seems so obvious - or else I am just a conspiracy theory type of guy (I did LOVE X-Files ... heheh).

    There was a talk on the resurrection (notice a recurring theme on the resurrection ... interesting). The speaker said, "Some people have even gone so far as to make comments like, 'You'll never have to grow up in this system, Armageddon will be here by then.' Never would we want to be that presumptuous." I was like, WHAT? The only reason people say stuff like that is because the Society has printed that in their literature since the early 1900's! Geez.

    Another talk on meeting attendance opened with this sentence - "There is evidence that Jesus likely instituted specific times for gathering his followers together for worship." Of course, they backed this up with no scripture. A couple minutes later they were speaking as if this were fact - that Jesus instituted specific meeting times. Oye. I asked my wife, "Did he say Jesus LIKELY instituted specific meeting times?" She said, "I don't know, I didn't hear that part."

    Of course not ...

    -ithinkisee

    -ithinkisee

  • kwintestal
    kwintestal

    So, Ithinkisee, do you have any regrets about attending?

    Seems like the same BS they always spew. At least someone there saw it for the BS it is. Thanks for the update.

    Kwin

  • RichieRich
    RichieRich

    such a waste of time and resources.

    I go in two weeks.

    I hope you dropped some checks in the boxes...

  • bother_forever
    bother_forever

    I think thats great, so funny to hear the "real" view of an assembly. I did notice though that you missed the new thought. You know the new thought that comes out each year and only a few grasp the meaning of. "Did you hear the new thought brother?". Then not so as to sound like they wern't listening to the hours of endless twoddle ill everably reply "Yes, not long now hey?". Love it, what was the new release this year aswell?

    Forever

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    all educated people are snobby elitists, doctors are the same way. They imply that educated ones don't take to the "Truth" because they are too full of themselves....

    Blech. This is the way they used to discourage medical care in the '70s in my cong. Anything a doctor said was wrong. Better to be treated by a jw irodologist acupressurist Shaklee salesman with no medical education than to at least try scientifically proven treatments from a specialist who has 10+ years of education in their specialty.

    One of my pet peeves is the belief that educated people automatically possess negative traits just because they're educated. They claim educated people are uppity, arrogant, have a sense of entitlement, and falsely believe education will guarantee riches. I remember graduating high school and not being allowed to go to college, while a relative of mine was going off to college. My jw mother kept claiming "he thinks it's going to guarantee him a good-paying job" etc. My relative never said any such thing. I went on to educate myself and have never thought it was a guarantee of anything.

    Of course I've heard that from non-jws as well. I have to be very careful about mentioning education at all. If I say something innocuous like, "In grad school I studied health law one semester..." then there are whisperings about me feeling superior.....when there was NOTHING superior about anything I had ever said. The conclusion I've come to is people are quick to accuse others of a superior attitude when they themselves feel inferior inside.

    Another pattern I noticed - on Friday and Saturday they really let the hammer fall as far as obedience goes. Especially Friday. I surmise this has something to do with the fact that Fridays you won't have many general public or newly interested ones

    That's no accident.
  • XBEHERE
    XBEHERE

    Oh boy.... I am dreading going in 3 weeks. Uggh! How braindead we all were to just sit there and swallow that tripe.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    The higher the education level of a person, the harder it is to lead them."

    I work for a group of doctors 32+. Everyone has some preconceived notion how great their lives are. Well, monitarily they make megabucks more than I. But I find them all to be hard workers and very humble. They are very open to new ideas and don't treat the peons that work for them like they are idiots. They worked hard to get the education they have and appreciate it and have a deep respect for it as do I. So many of them are deeply spiritual in many different religions. This is crap and it pisses me off.

    Look at Daniel, I remember when studying that book the big deal they made how educated he was.

    Cripes.......they want us all to have education of 3rd grader to buy into the crap.

    purps

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    "There is evidence that Jesus likely instituted specific times for gathering his followers together for worship." Of course, they backed this up with no scripture.

    I wonder why?? Maybe....just maybe....there's no evidence at all, eh?

    Nice report, ithinkisee - thanks for sharing.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • Goldminer
    Goldminer

    Hey Ithinkisee,

    Ithinkyouheard better than I did,I didn't pay attention as much as you.I only went friday morning,saturday afternoon and sunday morning.We stayed at a cottage by the lake and spent most of our time in the water.Btw,an elder from another district stayed at the same place as us,how's that for following society's orders.(the cottages are not on the hotel list).

    I do remember the "no regrets" part and the emphasis on equating education with immediate riches and unhappiness,to me that was more the theme they pushing on us.I doubt many bought it.The parents that want to send their kids to college will do it anyways.The ones who are too cheap or lazy to help their kids will use this as their excuse.

    Anyways,they had 2 young brothers share their experience.Both were in their late 20's,university education,making $100 000+/year.But they weren't happy,something was missing,they wanted to pionneer!!!!!So they quit their jobs,just walked away and became full-time pionneers with....NO REGRETS! What they failed to tell the audience is that they still have their university education and can always get another good-paying job in a couple of years when they're fed up of being pionneers.

    Did you notice a decrease in attendance? Here we're down to about 2800 from 3500-3800 about 8 years ago.

    Goldminer

  • shera
    shera

    Oh GAG!

    Thanks for the info..reminds me of the nitemares assemblies were..lol

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