Current/former elders -- Ever on Judicial Committee while on your way out?

by AlmostAtheist 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    Gina and I were talking about this last night. Do any of you that are currently serving as elders ever serve on JC's? Is it something you can opt out of and still be an elder?

    This question applies to anybody that was in this position at some point during their 'getting out of the org' process, not just current ones.

    If you have done so while in your "getting out" state, what was it like? I can imagine the feelings of knowing if the guy gets DF'd, maybe he'll actually just tool right on out of the org, but your humanity would make you want to do all you could not to crush him. And of course you wouldn't want to blow your cover by taking a soft-line not in harmony with the Watchtower's stance. Tough spot.

    No urgency here, just morbid curiosity.

    Dave

  • willyloman
    willyloman

    Yes, you can opt out of a JC, although you can't do it repeatedly without raising some suspicions, or at least some questions. You are sort of expected to take your "turn," however I've seen guys blow off several such "privileges" in a row because of work schedules, going on vacation, etc. so, if an elder simply did not want to be on a JC, it is possible to forestall for months at a time, then "cherry pick" an easy one and start dodging assignments all over again.

    Having said that, I served on one several months before I launched my fade. Because of various circumstances it would have been awkward to refuse this particular one, and anyway it seemed pretty cut and dried at the time. A sister had kicked out her dub husband and now, some months later, was sharing her bed with a fellow she worked with. This was obvious to several of her relatives, including her MS son, who ratted her out. We made several phone calls to set up an appointment to discuss this with her, but she was apparently screening her calls and never picked up, nor did she return any calls. Another elder and I went by her house early one evening, thinking she might at least answer the door. When we pulled up, cars were parked in the driveway and the front door was open. As we walked up the sidewalk to the metal gate, we heard the TV volume go way down and heard voices within. Then it got very quiet and the dark screen door opened slightly and out came this huge ugly dog who proceeded to bound over to the gate and snarl at us.

    We looked at each other and turned around and left. We continued to leave messages. One day a child answered and said, yes, her mom was home. After several minutes she picked up the phone and we talked. She readily admitted she was living with the guy and said she didn't care what we did about it. We said we'd have to schedule a meeting and would let her know when it was; her reply was, don't bother, I won't be there. She also shared some sad stories about her JW ex, including his abusive nature and some other quirks that would have gotten him in a lot of trouble except that he had moved to parts unknown and was not associating with any KH that we knew of.

    We met, df'd her on the "evidence" which consisted of her admission to the two of us on the phone (her admission to her son, the MS, was a bonus, I guess). We called her after the brief meeting and she took the call. We told her what we decided. She said okay, and hung up. We felt icky. I still do. I often think of calling her and apologizing and telling her I'm glad she found some love in her life for a change and that I hope she's happy. I don't do this, only because I know her MS son and other JW relatives still visit her (there are several grandchildren) and she'd tell them and I'd be outed. However, being outed is less and less a concern to me and my family with each passing month, so the time will come when I will. It's just one of the things you have to live down when you devote your life to a cult. If there is a hell, I'm cooked, I suppose, but perhaps if I live long enough I can post enough mitigating circumstances to my account that I'll catch a break.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Shortly after my last JC meeting, I "drifted". The ones that got df'd did not want to have this happen but they said and did everything that they could do to get df'd. Everything (by them) was brought to the attention of the CO. They sealed their fate then and by their subsequent indiscretions.

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw

    While I was an elder I served on most JC's by request. I really distrusted 3 of the other elders and their methods of handling JC's. So to make sure they were held fairly I volunteered.

    In the number I did, I think we only DF'd one person - who made it very clear they didn't want to stay.

    I even got in a bit of trouble with the PO for "coaching" a young brother on what to say during the JC. And it was pretty much true. I felt if he could get by this mess he was in he would have a chance to catch his breath and do ok. Ultimately he ended up leaving a couple of years later, but I had stepped down by then.

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    I come home and sob in my wifes arms after every one. She dont know why, or even really where I've been... We barley have enough elders for a JC, so I'm gonna be on each one.

    My fellow bros are kind and I've never seen them act harshly to another member of the flock in a JC. I've been on at least 10 in my time and I've never seen the 'hard line' taken. Of course everyone I've served on the person at least acted repentant. We arent looking to crush anyone. Im not minimizing anyones bad experince with a JC, I'm just saying I've never personally seen it.

    The emotions for me at least are overwhelming.

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    I've personally dealt with 4 JC's on 7 different occassions. Each time they were reasonable and mild with me, even when I absolutely didn't deserve it. I think the arrangement itself is unloving and unscriptural, but the men conducting it don't have to make it that way.

    Willy, anything you did in ignorance while a dub is more than made up for by all the good you've done with your full faculties on this board and elsewhere. If there's any accounting to give, I'm sure you're well into the black.

    Goes for the rest o' you slobs, too.

    Dave

  • doinmypart
    doinmypart

    The BOE I serve with are are a strict, "old school" bunch. Like confusedjw I used to volunteer to serve on Committees because I wanted to make sure congregaton members wouldn't have too difficult a time in the back room. I serve with brothers that like to ask detailed questions of an intimate nature. At one Committee meeting one of the Elders started with the questions (what were you wearing, did you let him...) by the 2nd question I interuppted the Elder, asked the sister to step out for a moment to compose herself, and I tore into the Elder. It really pissed me off. The Elders I serve with feel it is necessary to shame a person and strip them of their dignity, then maybe they won't mar the good name of Jehovah's people again.

    Back to your question, I don't guess I can say I'm on my way out - at least not yet. But over the last couple of years I've managed to only serve on one Committee, and in that case the person told us earlier he didn't want to be a JW anymore, it was simply a formality.

    Actually the other elders probably breath a sigh of relief when I don't sit on committees because they can do what they want. I still feel sorry for the congregation members that are brought before the Kangaroo Courts, but I hope that they can see from their mistreatment that if they are DF, then being out is the best place for them.

    It is a tough spot to be in...be kind to a person & they possibly end up staying in the same Organization I'm trying to get out of...I just can't do it. Thankfully, in these couple of years 2 people have been DF and 3 publically reproved. The DF seem to be doing just fine outside the Org, and 2 of the reproved people have moved to a larger city close by and no longer associating.

  • Jez
    Jez

    What a unique perspective you all have to offer! Thank you for being here.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Yes elders can opt out if they do not feel they are qualified to serve on a particular JC. Also whilst I was an elder we never used two of the body to serve on JCs - we just did no think they had what it took

  • willyloman
    willyloman
    At one Committee meeting one of the Elders started with the questions (what were you wearing, did you let him...) by the 2nd question I interuppted the Elder, asked the sister to step out for a moment to compose herself, and I tore into the Elder. It really pissed me off.

    I put a stop to this, too, on more than one occasion. It says a lot about how twisted some of these guys are in their thinking and why it is insane to put this kind of power in these kinds of hands (imagine if someone with half an ounce of sensitivity and respect for a person's dignity weren't there to bring this crap to a halt...).

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