About Fallacy and Critiquing Conclusions or Argument Form

by Marvin Shilmer 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    Assessing conclusions and arguments involves two tasks. We should 1) look for unsound reasoning to avoid deception and we should 2) look for sound reasoning for enlightenment. Intelligent assessment of conclusions and arguments calls for a knowledge and comprehension of both these tasks.

    Individuals with substantial knowledge of recognizing unsound reasoning but with little or no knowledge of recognizing sound reasoning is given to indiscriminate blurting out of names of fallacies in reply. These individuals think logical criticism is all negative, always finding fault, always accusing others of making mistakes when they believe a mistake is made. Such tendencies are harmful and counterproductive because often true conclusions are rejected because an individual has incorrectly proposed it in form. Too, I have witnessed I don?t know how many times a would-be critic offer scathing ridicule of an argument form and conclusion when the argument was presented as an inductive one and the criticism is offered as though the form was deductive. When a critic makes this mistake they look like a fool, which they probably are in terms of analyzing argument form and validity of conclusions. Unless someone helps the fool, and the fool accepts the help, they will continue on their merry way thinking they have accomplished something when in fact all they have done is harmed their own intelligence by bolstering their ignorance.

    The philosophy of logic is extremely interesting, and intellectually stimulating. There are thinkers that reject accepted and sound deductive reasoning as circular in form because the conclusion is always contained in it premises. This has led to complaints from logicians that deductive reasoning accepted as valid is, in essence, begging the question. The reason logicians continue using deductive argument form is because, though its conclusion is always found in its premises the conclusion is often useful in that it helps us to grasp consequences that maybe would have gone unnoticed had we not taken the time to put two propositions together to form premises for the particular deductive conclusion. So, though deductive conclusions are always found in the premises leading to it, they are nevertheless useful in learning by making us aware of ends we may not have otherwise understood. An added help of deductive conclusions is their conclusiveness -- they are either true or false, there is no in-between.

    There are also thinkers out there who reject inductive reasoning because it lacks the conclusiveness of deductive reasoning. But the fact is we are forced to apply inductive reasoning all the time, and when we do this soundly it leads to growth in knowledge and understanding because inductive reasoning helps us to measure the strength of consequences. That is to say, though inductive conclusions require some assumption we can still gain from the assumptive conclusion if we are keen to base our assumptions on probabilities rather than possibilities, while at the same time not ignoring viable possibilities.

    When individuals want to learn more about sound reasoning I very much encourage taking the time to read a good book on the subject that addresses the philosophy of logic rather than just the mechanics of logic. This helps the individual better understand the world of logic and how humans live within it. This context is essential to useful logic because it gives us a chance to let logic become our mentor rather than it becoming our whipping-stick to afflict on others who may not understand logical form but do understand what they have concluded is real and true yet they find themselves unqualified to adequately communicate it. Logic helps us help these individuals and ourselves by looking for soundness where it seems lacking, before we reject what is said. Plenty of times individuals use argument forms called enthymeme. Very intelligent persons do this all the time, and if we were to stick our heads into the discussion and point to the fault of conclusions that do not follow from what is said we would then look like fools if everyone else in the discussion understands what is unstated, except for us.

    Just some thoughts to ponder, for the curious.

    Marvin Shilmer

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Marvin,

    Very good thesis. But I have decided that rational thought is too dangerous and I intend to return to the save ground of not "leaning on my own understanding".

    I have decided I feel safer with "Revelation" as a way of knowing rather than rational thought as a way of knowing. And rather than listen to god myself I have decided to listen to other men who claim god speaks to them. They are the same men who convinced me to never 'lean on my own understanding'. Yes, I'm sure leaning on THEIR understanding would be better.

    However I will never rely on such unsafe tools as deductive or inductive reasoning as long as god is revealing truth through men and their publishing corporation.

    Remember: "A thing is a terrible waste to mind" or something like that. Tongue Out

    Jst2laws


  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Marvin,

    : There are thinkers that reject accepted and sound deductive reasoning as circular in form because the conclusion is always contained in it premises.

    Uh, what? We must have learned logic in some different school.

    Deductive reasoning is always more conclusive than inductive reasoning. Deductive reasoning leaves no "wiggle room" if it is sound. Inductive reasoning always leaves some "wiggle room" even if it is sound.

    I know you know this, yet I fail to understand why you would make such a statement.

    Farkel

  • TD
    TD

    Very interesting, Marvin. One thing I have noticed is that not all treatments on the subject completely agree.

    Induction has classically been described as moving from the specific (example) to the general (rule), while deduction has classically been described as moving from the general (rule) to the specific (example). This definition can be found in almost any dictionary.

    However since virtually any inductive argument can be stated deductively and vice-versa these definitions are considered by some to be outdated. Some current treatments of the subject focus on the relationship of the premises to the conclusion

    Two quick examples:

    The temperature in Phoenix has exceeded 110 during every July in history.

    Next month is July

    The temperature will exceed 110 next month.

    Even though it is stated deductively, (General to Specific) this is considered an inductive argument. The truth of the conclusion is not guaranteed by the premises.

    The members of the Daniels family are Thomas, Ane and Elizabeth. .

    Thomas wears glasses.

    Ane wears glasses.

    Elizabeth wears glasses.

    Therefore, all members of the Daniels family wear glasses.

    Even though it is stated inductively, (Specific to General) this is considered a deductive argument.

    The truth of the conclusion is guaranteed by the premises.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    TD,

    : The temperature in Phoenix has exceeded 110 during every July in history.

    : Next month is July

    : The temperature will exceed 110 next month.

    This is a logical fallacy. No human (that we know) was around to record the July temperature in Phoenix 5 billion years ago or during the ice ages. Inductive reasoning can only point to the probability of the temperature exceeding 110 degrees, but cannot confirm it as a FACT.

    : The members of the Daniels family are Thomas, Ane and Elizabeth. .

    : Thomas wears glasses.

    : Ane wears glasses.

    : Elizabeth wears glasses.

    : Therefore, all members of the Daniels family wear glasses

    This argument is conclusive and air tight. The set was defined (the "members of the Daniels" family) and those in that set were all defined as "wearing glasses." The conclusion was logical and sound.

    Farkel, who will prefer deductive reasoning whenever he can get it.

  • TD
    TD

    "Phoenix" is actually not very old as cities go. How about "recorded" history?

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    TD,

    : "Phoenix" is actually not very old as cities go. How about "recorded" history?

    Once again, your argument is not conclusive. Since we don't know what happened BEFORE "recorded" history, it is not conclusive that in July the temperatures will ALWAYS reach 110 degrees. A better argument would be, "it is probable that they will reach 110 degrees." I would tend to agree with that.

    An absolute conclusion about the temperature in July reaching 110 degrees just simply cannot be made on the facts you've presented. I'm sure you understand the weak, but maybe plausible foundation you've stated as FACT.

    Farkel

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Farkel,

    But the great church father Eusibius told us the "Phoenix would rise again" therefore any attempt to arrive at a predictable temperature for Phoenix must allow for the instability factor of rising temperatures as revealed by the divine revelation. Your deductive and inductive reasoning is doomed to failure without the infalible, inerrant, divine revelation.

    Why do you ignore me Farkel. Are you afraid to face the immutable, unchangable, superior knowledge of divine revelation? Throw aside your vanity of human reasoning, kneel, and humble yourself before it is too late. Submit your will to the "glorious ones" who explore the "deep things of God" and stop "leaning upon your own understanding".

    Jst2laws of the "We don't need no stinky rationalism or secularism because we be saved by divine revelation" class

    Sorry Marvin and Farkel, but I'm on vacation and this is just too heavy right now, but I will BTTT with my "revelation"

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Hello, Farkel

    : There are thinkers that reject accepted and sound deductive reasoning as circular in form because the conclusion is always contained in its premises.

    Uh, what? We must have learned logic in some different school.

    Do you disagree that the conclusions of deductive reasoning are always contained in its premises? If you believe the conclusions of deductive arguments are not contained in the premises then what basis is there to deduce the conclusion from the premises? This aspect of the form of logical thinking we call deductive is why the philosophical question of whether deductive reasoning is begging the question. But, as I said before, this complaint some thinkers have had with deductive reasoning is effectively offset and made mute by the fact that conclusions of deductive reasoning are not simple restatements of premises but rather these conclusions provide insight into what two isolated premises mean when taken together. This is the key to why the deductive form is not a dressed up form of begging the question.

    Deductive reasoning is always more conclusive than inductive reasoning. Deductive reasoning leaves no "wiggle room" if it is sound. Inductive reasoning always leaves some "wiggle room" even if it is sound.

    This is what I said. Why do you repeat it?

    I know you know this, yet I fail to understand why you would make such a statement.

    I said what I said because it is true.

    Marvin Shilmer

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Howdy, Jst2laws

    I can understand your bizarre and contagious form of logical lunacy given that you have nothing better to do than wheel around the countryside whilst the rest of us poor stupid morons have to work and pay taxes to pave the roads you enjoy and the roadside parks you stop at and take pee breaks and have a Coke and a smile.

    Just like every other activity, when it comes to thinking I thoroughly agree it is much better to let someone else do it for us, if we can afford it.

    Marvin Shilmer

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