Part I - Why Believe In God?

by jst2laws 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Why believe in God? The following are only my thoughts open for comments. I have not formulated these thoughts into convictions but I will say these are my beliefs at this point in my spiritual growth. By posting these thoughts in, 4 parts, I hope to not only organize the reasons for my beliefs but to stimulate others to search and find answers to the question – Why believe in God?

    THE GOD SPOT

    “A group of neuroscientists at the University of California at San Diego has identified a region of the human brain that appears to be linked to thoughts of spiritual matters and prayer. Their findings tentatively suggest that we as a species are genetically programmed to believe in God.” ( http://www.parascope.com/articles/slips/fs22_3.htm )
    Why would this be. How can evolution account for a God spot in our brain? I don’t know! While this question is in no way proof of God’s existence it may at least cause us consider as does the above article: ‘Did God create the God spot, or did the God spot create God?’

    This desire to believe in God, this spiritual appetite, the God Module I believe is demonstrated in the discussion started by dobby at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=26934&site=3

    For example:

    Dobby:

    “lately I just want to believe in God and heaven. Maybe it is a backlash from having the "false religion" concept drilled into your brain. But sometimes I just want to believe the simple idea that God is up there, and will reward us with heavenly life if we simply follow the Golden Rule.”
    Borgfree:
    “I feel that God is working in me, to make me into the “vessel” that He wants me to be. I want that.”
    That thread touched my heart. Did not most of us at some time ‘WANT” to believe in God, that he cares about us and we are part of his plan? But many have what they feel is sound reason to doubt or even the conviction that God does not exits. I do not intend to produce indubitable prove of God’s existence but I would first like to discuss why we doubt.

    WE WANT IT YET WE DOUBT

    A reason so many of us doubt is tied to the reason most of us are here on this discussion board. What do we have in common? Is it not that we have all been duped? Were we not ‘captives of a concept’ (C of C p334), victims of a scam?

    But this scam did not simply defraud us of money. This scam robbed us of the faith we had before we fell victim to it. This ‘concept’ elevated itself to the level of divine, won our confidence, took over our lives, dictated our beliefs and abused us if we failed to perform. To protect itself the scam artists told us God did not want us to open our eyes or ears to any criticism of the ‘concept’ and we largely obeyed. However, we are here because we eventually baulked and questioned the validity of the ‘concept’. Finding our faith was founded on a fraud we left the organization disillusioned, angry and FAITHLESS.

    We have come to despise our once cherished impression of the JEHOVAH of the WT and some are now bewildered by our past anxious anticipation of the world Wide massacre of Armageddon.

    How could we have believed all this?

    How could we turn over our time, our money, our thoughts, our will, our families, our whole lives to this fraudulent concept?

    How could we have been so stupid?

    The most precious attribute of which we were robbed was our confidence in our own selves and our judgment of spiritual matters. Can we trust any religious concept from here on?

    This consequence is summarized by Greg Stafford:

    Humans are imperfect and will fail at some point in varying degrees. When such failure occurs, the loyalty that a person feels toward that agency, as a representative for God, is negatively impacted. And if a person’s loyalty to God’s perceived representative is shaken then it is easy to see how that same person might also lose faith in God himself.” Three Dissertations p32
    Did we not have some faith in God before becoming Witnesses?
    Why do so many disbelieve now?

    Is Stafford and R. Franz as well right that we have been set “adrift, floundering, due to no longer being tied to some visible authority structure” having lost faith in God himself? (C of C p 385)

    Or is it possible this disastrous experience with the WT forced us to examine the facts and face reality, that nothing is for sure and even God should be doubted?

    SUMMARY

    The bottom line is that regardless of the possibilities, we no longer believe because of our Watchtower experience. Like it our not the WT has changed us and continues to affect us.

    So here we are, on JWD sharing our feelings and doubts and what beliefs remain. In this post I have not tried to present evidence for God’s existence. I have only offered some explanation for how many of us feel about God. To see more clearly where we are going it is sometimes helpful to examine where we have come from. I would suggest that having identified the WT as the cause of much of our doubt, it may be prudent to keep an open mind to a discussion of this sort just encase we have again been victimized by the WT.

    Before you object to my over simplification of why we do not believe, please note there are other factors to be covered in Part II, Why Believe in God. You may be surprised to learn that a scientist, and a Christian at that, in his attempt to bolster belief in the Bible has contributed probably more than anyone else to it’s disbelief in modern society. Has this scientist influenced you? He certainly influenced the WT.

    I will post Part II as soon as it is finished, unless I get my butt kick mercilessly for posting Part I.

    Jst2laws

  • flower
    flower

    I am assuming you mean God in the Christian, biblical sense (ie. a person like us only all powerful and a spirit creature).

    I believe it is ilogical to belieive in such a being. There is no reason for me to believe in it other than to satisfy that 'god spot'. That spiritual part of me can be satisfied in other ways. I believe the beauty of nature is amazing and can be spiritual in ways that do not need to include a God person.

    Believing in a biblical God would mean I would have no choice but to believe in things that I dont have any proof of. It would mean I would have to live with dozens of unanswered questions. It would mean I must accept that I cannot know things and cannot answer things and must rely on this thing called 'faith'. I despise faith. I cannot live by it. I do not consider it a useful emotion except in limited circumstances. All other avenues must be explored and considered and used up before I will accept blind faith as an answer to any question I have. In my opinion, belief in a biblical God is based 99% on blind faith and very little on facts. I cant accept that.

    flower
    just mho

  • Salud
    Salud

    We are the only creation that has a spiritual side, that we can think in a spriritual sense and look to the heaven and yell 'God help me' says something about the unique way we are created. Can we attest such sprituality to let say our pet dog or cat, or the cow grazing in the field as we drive by, do we ever think to ourselves if by chance that cow is spiritual, or that it looks to the heavens and thanks God for the grass it is grazing?

    To limit our beliefs to things proven or seen I believe limits ourselves in our understanding of this world and of who we are. If we lived let say 700 years ago would we have believed like everyone else in the common idea that the earth was flat. Sure, eventually the earth was proven round. How long did it take though. And the fact that it had not been proven at one point did that make the earth flat then? How much of what we do or do not know has yet to be proven? Can we say what happens when we die? So does that mean that unless someone returns and 'proves' it to us life after death does not exist? Just some few things to ponder and meditate on (btw, something animals cannot do)

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hello jst,

    Fine post with some thinking material thrown in - thank you. At least from my own perspective, yeah, I feel duped....and to the point of just turning around to it all. Rather like a divorced person never getting involved with a member of the opposite sex - just don't want to take the chance.

    Sometimes easier just to cut oneself off, believe "all of them" are wicked, cruel, etc.

    Yeah, I can relate - I've been divorced before.

    Will reread your post. Thanks.

    waiting

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Dear Flower,

    Believing in a biblical God would mean I would have no choice but to believe in things that I dont have any proof of. It would mean I would have to live with dozens of unanswered questions

    I hope you watch for parts II and III. The issue of proof and faith will be dealt with. I agree and sympathize. But are you sure you believe in only that which can be proven?

    Jst2laws

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    This is as good a place as any to put in my two cents.

    Why I Believe We Have a Creator

    I form beliefs on what I know. I know life can beget life as we know it. I do not know that lifelessness can beget life as we know it. Therefore I believe life as we know it was begotten by life. That life is our Creator. What is beyond life as we know it or how it came to be is unknown to me; thus I have no belief about that life’s origins other than the existence of that life.

    Why I Believe In the God of the Bible

    I form beliefs based on what I know. I know among life as we know it that humans uniquely have inherent aspirations for purpose. Since this aspiration is inherent then it is part of our begettal, which means it comes from our Creator. If our Creator gives us aspiration there must be something to aspire to. I know the Bible uniquely nurtures my aspirations for purpose, so to me the Bible is the ultimate source provided by our Creator for that purpose. Therefore I believe the God of the Bible is our Creator.

    Do other writings/sources nurture our aspirations? The Bible teaches that all good things come from our Creator. I believe the Bible. Therefore as far as other works represent goodness they too nurture aspirations for purpose. All good words have God as their source.

    Since the Bible teaches us to follow Jesus’ teachings then that is what I do and promote. Since the Bible teaches that God, my Creator, still exists then I defer to it.

    This all stems from what I know. This is my worship.

  • chappy
    chappy

    Interesting thread. Reading Fowers reply only reinterates my conclusion that religion has absolutly nothing to do with God. With few exceptions, most of the negativity about God originates with concepts originating with religion. For those "sitting on the fence" try to meditate with a completely open mind. It's difficult I know; some of that old dogma always seems to seep in. For example, the Bible doesn't have to be infallable, or even inspired for that matter, for there to be a God. There doesn't have to be baptism for there to be a God.
    If you sincerely ask for truth and evidence, (not the "OK god if you're there talk to me" type asking) the Creator will show Him/Herself to you in His/Her own way.

    later,
    chappy

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Salud,

    To limit our beliefs to things proven or seen I believe limits ourselves in our understanding of this world and of who we are
    Your are on the same track that I am on. Hope you stay tuned for Part III.

    Jst2laws

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Waiting,

    Glad you were able to relate, and appreciate you simile.

    Marvin

    Thanks for your thoughts. I am tired and will try to respond Sat. morning to your post.

    Jst2laws

  • SYN
    SYN

    Mammals in general are pack animals - we always try to follow a leader. This is just the way evolution has molded our minds. Is God not the ultimate pack leader? In the absence of the usual alpha males leading the pack, our brains, in their subliminal desperation, have formed for us an ethereal pack leader with Godly powers that we can follow.

    Everybody follows SOMETHING or SOMEONE, or a combination.

    You can't be a human and not follow something. It just doesn't work that way. It's just like being a fish and not knowing that you're in water, but the water is still there and to be accounted for, see?

    "Until they become conscious, they will never rebel. Until they rebel, they will never become conscious." - George Orwell

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