JEHOVAH APPROVES BLOOD & GIVES PICTURES...

by hawkaw 37 Replies latest jw friends

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

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    Jehovah God Does Allow Natural Whole Blood Transfusions
    and He Provides Pictures

    Click here and read the this important essay at one of the following locations:
    . http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/twins.htm
    or
    . http://geocities.com/h000c/twins.htm
    or
    . http://geocities.com/h002b/twins.htm
    or
    . http://geocities.com/h004b/twins.htm
    or
    . http://geocities.com/h006b/twins.htm

    If one site is busy, click on another.

    Yep, that is right folks - this is no joke - Jehovah God has given researchers the ability to take pictures of a natural blood transfusion between two individual human beings. But how? How could this be?

    Well Jehovah, since 1990, has apparently told “God’s Chosen Organization” that humans cannot have whole blood transfusions. However, according to the Watchtower, researchers have shown that Jehovah does allow some blood components, such as albumin, to “naturally transfer” between two humans (a mother and fetus during gestation). Seeing God can’t break His own law, albumin is considered a conscience matter for a Witness.

    You may recall that I, and then with the help of Maximus, brought the subject of monochorionic pregnancies and the The Watchtower magazine of June 1, 1990 to your folks attention. It showed Jehovah actually allowing for natural whole blood transfers between two humans (fetuses). But I never provided the actual research or a decent explanation for you nice folks.

    So feast your eyes on the essay at the above-noted url links. This essay is in Osarif’s web site (Index Link at the bottom of Simon’s web page as “Research on the WT”). The links not only give the essay but also some of the actual scientifc research articles that have been referenced to verify the facts. The research articles are in a "jpg" format so you can move your mouse cursor over the picture, right click and then save it to your computer or just click on them and the pictures will be enlarged.

    Now, the medical researchers clearly show you that there is a natural transfer of whole blood between two different fetuses (who are considered individual human beings by the Watchtower). One researcher refers to the natural transfer as an “inter twin transfusion”.

    But even more important - go look at the essay’s Appendix 4. Appendix 4 is a medical research article by Dr. Taylor et.al. You can “click on the jpg image to get a bigger picture. Or after you copy those “jpgs” to your computer, open the pages up and zoom in on the colour pictures of the placenta that Dr. Taylor provides in his article. Look close at the placenta pictures and follow the black or white arrows or look at the areas circled. You can actually see the artery of the blood system of one fetus connected to the vein or artery of the other fetus. Then, Dr. Taylor shows you which way the whole blood flows from the one fetus’ blood system to the other’s blood system - neat eh!!!

    My Conclusions are simple:

    Medical research has, for sometime, identified that Jehovah God actually allows for the natural transfer of whole blood between two separate humans. Researchers have clearly proved and even provided pictures showing the phenomena exists in their studies of monochorionic pregnancies.

    As shown in 1990, the Watchtower (as God’s Chosen Organization) recognized that if researchers actually proved a blood component naturally transfers between two humans, then the Watchtower recognized Jehovah God cannot break his own law. The Watchtower has recognized two separate humans as being a mother and a fetus. Obviously two fetuses are also considered separate individual human beings to the Watchtower.

    And since Jehovah cannot break his own law, then whole blood transfusions should be a matter for a Jehovah’s Witness’ conscience and free will. There is now no (nor should there have been any) justification for a disfellowship/disassociation action for those Witnesses who take/took whole blood transfusions.

    This also cannot be a "wait of jehovah" issue seeing Jehovah has already explained in 1990 that as long as researchers prove that a "natural transfer occurs, the issue becomes a matter of conscience.

    Attached in Appendix 5, you are also provided the actual medical literature that proves the Watchtower allows for the transfusion of white blood cells as long as the transfusion is considered a “transplantation” and called peripheral blood stem cell autographing procedure.

    Seeing this is a life and death issue that has taken many a life over the last 57 years, I hope people can use this essay and the accompanying medical research to their advantage and protect the lives of the innocent children and adults in the Jehovah’s Witness community.

    One has to wonder about a corporation who touts doctors and a Hospital Information Service that review thousands of medical journals in their understanding of this doctrine.

    hawk

  • Joyzabel
    Joyzabel

    Great research Hawk,

    I looked up in one of my old William's Obstetrics (1971) concerning hemolytic disease of the newborn (Rh factor, mainly) that even back then doctors knew that red blood cells crossed the placenta and were amazed that only about 1% of pregnancies resulted in severe hemolytic disease of the newborn. (page 1037)

    Isn't science fun! I love all the advancing technology and "visual proofs" that we can obtain today. I feel there is no limit to what will be in the future for researching medical problems.

    Thank you for sharing your research with us. If only we could simply say to jws, families and friends that we don't have to be experts on this blood issue, straining down to the tiniest fractions and most people not understanding what is being said, but to simply respect life and show love for the life-giver.

    BTW, I usually throw the placentas away when I'm done with a delivery ;-)

    A midwife.

  • freeman
    freeman

    Hawk,

    Very good post. That material blows the doors off the whole blood issue, however getting past the JW mental barriers still presents a challenge. I successfully used the twin-to-twin transfusion info to take the wind out of the sails of my wife’s PO a few months ago. He had no idea and suggested that I write the boys in Brooklyn as this could change the blood policy.

    I thought to myself as he said this ‘Oh sure right! I can see it now, Brother Inactive shows Faithful And Discreet Slave New Light on blood’.

    Anyway, your info is excellent and thank you for posting it, however please don’t be to disappointed if it does not penetrate, it’s not you; JWs are pretty thick and it’s hard to get past the programming. By now I’m sure the JW programming has kicked in and my wife’s PO has totally forgotten what we even talked about.

    Freeman

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Thanks, Hawk. Very cool. Keep this at the top for a few days. Might be good for lurkers.

    ashi

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Thanks for all the comments so far. I would personnally like to thank Osarif for publishing the essay. I hope Randy, Kent, Lee and anyone else who wants the essay can use it.

    Freeman,

    I completely understand the "rose coloured glasses" problem. But I try to give stuff to you guys anyway because I know it will "wake a few up" and they will take off the glasses.

    Each individual has their own beliefs and belief system. It may be blood, it may be the UN/WT association, it may be that little "asterick" and "tick" mark in line 46 of the 24th Chapter of Matthew, it may be the 1874/1914 thing, it may be disfellowshipping and shunning bigotry, it may be as stupid as explaining that Isaiah 40:22 is talking about a two dimensional circle and not a three dimensional sphere or it may be a combination of all.

    And that is the point. Get as much information out there as possible and we can help a few out and try and ensure a few more are not recruited.

    hawk

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    One other point Freeman, on your comment on this being "new light".

    I know we are dealing with an "ends justifies the means" organization here but this is NOT new light. There is no waiting on Jehovah here. Why, Jehovah has "spoken" to the Mother Organization in 1990 and stated that if He shows researchers that He allows for a "natural transfer" such as albumin, then it becomes a matter a Witness to freely decide.

    hawk

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Very cool, hawkaw!

    So nobody needs to die...

    outnfree

    It's what you learn after you know it all that counts -- John Wooden

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Like I said before,

    Click on the pictures and it will zoom the pictures up. Look carefully at the pictures. Follow the arrows to the artery-artery connections and the artery to vein connections.

    Just amasing from a scientific point of view.

    hawk

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Flag for the lunch lurkers

    hawk

  • Scully
    Scully

    Twin-to-twin transfusion is a fascinating phenomenon.

    It is, however, life threatening for at least one of the babies involved, so don't be surprised if the WTS takes that bit of info to justify their position further. Likely, they'll make note of the low frequency of the condition and extrapolate it as "evidence" of what can "go wrong" as a result of the imperfection brought about by Adam's sin in Eden.

    Nothing quite like making a mom with sick kids feel even worse by suggesting that it's her fault because she's 'more imperfect' than her peers. Can you just feel all that Watchtower Love™ (the same thing as Watchtower Hate™, FYI)??

    Love, Scully

    In the desert things find a way to survive. Secrets are like this too. They work their way up through the sands of deception so men can know them. - The X Files

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