No Tipping Hats to Women!

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  • ISP
    ISP

    Just noticed the thread with the lady sporting a panama so I thought it might be as well to reconsider hatiquette...er hat etiquette WTS style...........

    *** w52 4/15 254-5 Questions from Readers ***
    Questions from Readers
     Is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?—G. S., Missouri.
    Some say hat-tipping started in the days of armored knights. In a book on customs we read: “In the presence of his superior officer the ordinary soldier would indicate his inferiority by removing his protecting helmet. Until the day that armor was laid aside forever no man dared appear helmeted before his king. Again habit became custom, and when equals met each knight removed his metal casque out of respect to the other.” Another book on the subject indicates it started even before that time: “Some authorities suppose that this custom did not originate until the days of chivalry and knighthood during the Middle Ages, but there is evidence that it was common among the Greeks, Romans and certain other ancient peoples. At any rate, it is believed that later it became customary to remove the headgear to show deference to a superior or as a mark of respect to a person of distinction. It was only a step further to lift the headdress as an act of politeness or gallantry to ladies. After the introduction of men’s hats a few centuries ago, raising the hat or completely removing it became a general method of greeting women. The practice retains some of its earlier significance and many people still take off their hats to salute distinguished persons of either sex. Respect for the national flag is shown in the same manner.”
    Incidentally, not only is patriotic significance given to this gesture as shown by its being done for the flag, but also religious significance is accorded to it in that Catholic men tip their hats when they pass the Catholic church. They do this as an act of worship toward the bread and wine that is inside the church and which according to their belief becomes the actual flesh and blood of Christ. So in doing this they believe they are paying homage to Jesus Christ, who they think is inside the church in the consecrated wafer.
    Man and woman were not created equal in power and glory; the man came first and was given special prerogatives. As Jehovah is the head over his wifely organization, and as Christ is the head over his espoused church, so the man is the head over the woman. It is the woman that is commanded to show respect and recognition of the man’s position of headship, and women who rebel at it are not so much rebelling against men as they are against God.—Gen. 3:16; 1 Cor. 11:2-10; Eph. 5:33.
    But in his world Satan has reversed matters. Starting in Eden, he has pushed the woman ahead of the man, exalted her above man and used her to bring about the downfall of men dedicated to Jehovah. He has flouted God by reversing the position of the sexes. But he is very subtle about it, camouflaging his work under the guise of harmless custom. Many customs are harmless, but when they contradict a theocratic principle Satan is behind it to discredit God. He is a past master at such deception. (2 Cor. 11:14) In this particular matter of hat-tipping he appeals to the vanity of women and the so-called gentlemanly qualities of men, and any man who does not comply with the subtle custom is considered crude and discourteous, disrespectful of womanhood. So out of a fear of what others may think the majority fall into conformity.—Prov. 29:25.
    To refrain from tipping the hat to a woman does not mean one disrespects her. Frequently it is the ones who are excessively courteous and gallant to women who show the least respect for womanhood. They use these flattering gestures and forms of outward courtesy hypocritically, as an opening wedge for improper advances that ultimately show disrespect and lead to misuse of women. It is not good to flatter people, to turn their head; it is to their harm. Specifically, why would a woman want this special show of respect from a man? One woman said in response to this question: “You don’t know how important it makes a woman feel to have a man tip his hat to her.” That is sufficient reason for Christians to refrain from the custom. It is not in the interests of the individual to make him feel important, whether the individual is male or female.
    Some might argue that the friendly nod of the head came from the practice of bowing—but the nod is given regardless of sex, by both men and women. It does not exalt the woman. If hat-tipping were done by both men and women to each other, as mutual greeting and show of respect for each other, at least it would not be exalting one above the other. When a customary show of respect is performed between men as well as between man and woman, when it does not set the woman apart for special honor because of her sex, then it does not seem Scripturally objectionable. Hat removal would be too inconvenient for the woman? Then why is it the man that is supposed to rise when a woman enters a room or comes to or leaves the table, and never the woman? Is it too inconvenient again? Is she pinned to the chair, as the hat is pinned to her head? What custom does exist whereby women show respect to men? The absence of any is not just by chance, but is by satanic design to untheocratically elevate the woman above the man. In many ways Satan has taken the woman from the position assigned her by God, taken her from the home and its duties and put her into politics and commerce and religious leadership, and thereby caused much of the modern breakdown on the family front.—Heb. 13:4; Rev. 2:20.
    The surface courtesies that are flattering to human vanity are not what real Christian women want; instead they cherish the respect and love of one Christian toward another, and which are shown in weightier ways than the untheocratic customs of Satan’s lustful world. Both men and women should stay in the place God assigned them, in human relationships and divine worship. Only such as are content with these assigned places will live in the new world. Open or subtly disguised creature worship and exaltation will have no place there. It has no place with true Christians now.
    No tipping hats! No giving your seat for a woman of the species either I guess!
    ISP
  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    <"Man and woman were not created equal in power and glory;"> TRUE!!!

    <"the man .... was given special prerogatives"> FALSE!!!

    Watchtower moronic dipf**cks sh**heads **sholes!!!

    Try this Watchtower logic <gag, choke, vomit>.

    1) God creates a planet

    2) next up the evolutionary/creationary (gotta please SOMEBODY) scale a notch or two or three would be plants

    3) next up the evolutionary/creationary scale a notch or two or three would be animals

    3) next up is man

    4) now God goes BACKWARDS...creates inferior woman? Heeellloooooooo!

    Dontcha just love cult-originated drivel? Just because Eve was created to be Adam's helpmate (whose situations in history were unique to them) (based furthermore on an English translatory rendering)doesn't mean women were created for men. Duuhhhhh!

    And lastly, consider the fact that when the angels came swooping down to earth, they created male fleshly bodies to inpregnate women. Why? Because not even the ANGELS who could duplicate male bodies could do the same with the female form because women are so more ADVANCED!!! (Aside from the obvious fact I suppose that making babies is so much more fun than having them...the angels were unfaithful and traitorous, not totally masochistic.)

    After all, just think...Paul made the point that Adam DELIBERATELY sinned, but Eve was MISLEAD. So Adam being a willful sinner, he gets to be in charge for a few thousand years?

    The Watchtower God is one messed up guy, huh folks!!!

    sheesh...

    latest new signature:

    If apostattes were everything the Watchtower said they were, there would be no Kingdom halls left standing in the WORLD.

    If the world was the terrible place the Watchtower says it was, there would be no Jehovah's Witnesses left alive in the WORLD.

    love and hugs all...

    BITE ME, WATCHTOWER!!!

    Edited because I was so mad I forgot what the h**l my point was...

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    No tipping hats to women,what a load of bullshit!..What`s next?..No stuffing money in the stippers outfits when I go to the bar!(lol)...OUTLAW

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Watchtower moronic dipf**cks sh**heads **sholes!!!

    Whew! someone is on the rag!

  • VeniceIT
    VeniceIT

    HAHHAHAHAH sounds like what Rutherford wrote!!!!

    I have a quote of him explaining this too, I took it from Timothy White's book. It's from the Divin plan I think not sure. Hmm I'll if I can find it, I know I've posted it before!

    Ven

    "Injustice will continue until those who are not affected by it are as outraged as those who are."

  • radar
    radar

    Dungbeetle

    Women can wear hats in the Kingdom Hall but men can't.That don't sound equal to me.

    By the way

    Thanks for the email.

    Radar

    Like all people who have nothing, I lived on dreams

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    See what Radar affirms? Men don't wear hats indoors! OK, so the WT is right, removing ones hat is a gesture of chivalry. Then they say that chivalry should not be shown towards the fair sex!!!

    Before you know it, women will be walking on the OUTSIDE of the pavement instead of safely on the inside where her male companion can protect her from passing footpads and vagabonds.

    Heaven help us.

    Engishman.

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    “Man and woman were not created equal in power and glory; the man came first and was given special prerogatives.” What part of this statement is it that you girls don’t understand? “It is the woman that is commanded to show respect and recognition of the man’s position of headship, and women who rebel at it are not so much rebelling against men as they are against God.” Now is this getting any plainer???

    “In this particular matter of hat-tipping he appeals to the vanity of women and the so-called gentlemanly qualities of men, and any man who does not comply with the subtle custom is considered crude and discourteous, disrespectful of womanhood. So out of a fear of what others may think the majority fall into conformity.” When I read this to the French Knight he became very indignant at being accused of conformity. He insists on doing it nonetheless. He’s a very stubborn chap. He really got riled up when I read him the next part: “Frequently it is the ones who are excessively courteous and gallant to women who show the least respect for womanhood. They use these flattering gestures and forms of outward courtesy hypocritically, as an opening wedge for improper advances that ultimately show disrespect and lead to misuse of women.” The French Knight gets real upset when any improper advances are made toward a lady in his presence. Anyway, so much for the French Knight, he’s a bit out of date!

    Now, girls pay close attention to this next statement: “Specifically, why would a woman want this special show of respect from a man?” Exactly my point! What in the world would a woman want with respect?!? So please pay heed to the following: “One woman said in response to this question: “You don’t know how important it makes a woman feel to have a man tip his hat to her.” That is sufficient reason for Christians to refrain from the custom. “ --Here! Here! ‘nuff said.

    Now I hope you girls pay special heed to this next part: “Then why is it the man that is supposed to rise when a woman enters a room or comes to or leaves the table, and never the woman? Is it too inconvenient again? Is she pinned to the chair, as the hat is pinned to her head? What custom does exist whereby women show respect to men?” Can you answer THOSE questions? Huh? Well??? I bet you’re floored by that dazzling display of logic, right? …And rightly so. So there!

    Do you girls really know why this world is in such turmoil? It’s because of this: “Satan has taken the woman from the position assigned her by God, taken her from the home and its duties and put her into politics and commerce and religious leadership, and thereby caused much of the modern breakdown on the family front.—“ So there you have it. It’s your fault! It’s your fault that we are having the problems that we are experiencing this very day. You have forgotten your place, girls!

    P.S. I was told by a scientist friend of mine that there is conclusive scientific, biological proof that women belong at home at not in public. After he told me about it I was amazed that I had never realized this inasmuch as the proof is right there for all to see: Why do women have small feet? –So they can stand closer to the sink!

    Note to Simon: Do you have some sort of witness protection plan here? I might not be able to come out in the open for a while!!!!

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    How come male dubs can't tip their hats to women but they are required to suck the governing body's dicks?

    Just curious.

    Farkel

    "I didn't mean what I meant."

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    The WT are missing the point. The strong man is the one who does not mind deferring to a lady, only an insecure male feels impelled to make her aware of how superior he is.

    In the freemasons, its is customary sometimes for the Grand master and his entourage to wait at table for the ordinary masons . I applaud that.

    Englishman.

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

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