My JW friend just read Crisis of Conscience!!

by fullofdoubtnow 41 Replies latest jw friends

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    Hi, I am Marion. Linda has kindly allowed me to reply to you all, as I do not have the facility to do so myself. I have been reading all your replies, in fact I have read them 2 or 3 times, and I thank you all, I can see why Linda is on this board so much. There is a genuine warmth here that is often difficult to detect amongst Jehovahs Witness meetings, particularly in recent times.

    As you have read, I have been a Witness all my life, and was baptised in 1961 at the age of 14. My parents and Aunts and Uncles were Witnesses, most of my other close relatives are, though one sister never joined. I have experienced many things during my life in the Watchtower Society, some happy, some sad. My late husband, who died almost 5 years ago, was an Elder for many years, until ill health caused him to stand down, and I was a Regular Pioneer for 28 years, from 1967 until 1995, when my husbands problems began. I have helped many people into the Organisation, some of whom have become very dear friends, but I am left wondering if I really helped them at all now. One of my sons is a Witness, but the other is not, and I can well remember the anguisg both myself and my husband went through when he walked away from the Organisation. He was never baptised, so I have been able to remain in touch with him, but he broke my heart at the time.

    I have seen many things happen in the Organisation that caused me to wonder, but never until recently, to question. I have just finished reading Raymond Franz's book Crisis Of Conscience. I remeber the apostasy allegations of the late 70's and early 80's well, but of course only heard one side of it, as we all did. Reading the other side of it in Ray's book was a real shock, that people who were supposedly looking after the spiritual welfare of millions of people could even think of behaving in such a mean, underhanded way has reduced me to tears more than once in the last few days.

    There are so many policies in the Organisation that are open to question really, the blood policy, shunning, the difference in treatment of the Mexican and Malawi brothers, which I didn't know about until I read it recently, the Society's becoming secretly involved with the UN whilst publicly castigating the same Organisation, the generation change, which caused quite a stir amongst many, and the policy on child abuse. I just never thought to question them before, I had the truth as far as I was concerned, and that was enough for me. I just accepted the Societys viewpoint without the slightest thought that it might be flawed in any way.

    Even last year, when Linda disassociated, I was still pretty firmly convinced it was the truth. I was so sorry to see such a good friend, who was so supportive of me when Ron (my late husband) died, and on many other occasions, lost to the truth. She was courteous enough to send me a personal copy of her letter, which I still have, and to a degree it was this that caused me to question things. It seems to be a policy in my congregation to tear people who leave to pieces through gossip, which I am sure stems from the elders, and this happened with Linda. I knew why she had left, but many others did not, and she was accused of many things, which I will not document here, and which I knew to be untrue. I did ask the Presiding Overseer about this, and he was most discourteous, dismissing my concerns about the untrue and at times malicious rumours that were circulating with the words "well, it's no more than she deserves, true or not. She has turned her back on Jehovah, so what does she expect anyway, praise?". I was speechless at his un Christian attitude, and I think that moment was the catalyst for what I am contemplating now.

    I started to examine some of the teachings that I had so easily accepted over the years. As I do not have the Internet, this wasn't so easy, but I made use of the local library, and also started to study the Bible, without the use of Society publications, like never before. I began to see that Jesus words to the Pharisees in Matthew 15: "Why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition" and about them: "These people honour me with their lips, but there hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men" could well be applied to the Watchtower Society, as I could find no Scriptural basis for rules like shunning and the blood policy.

    That is when I decided to contact Linda again, by sending her a note via her mother, a lovely lady who has never been a Witness. I had heard that she was now living with Trev, but knew that they had got together a few months after her disassociation, though one of the rumours suggested that she had only left because she wanted to commit fornication. Thankfully, she replied to my letter, and I started to visit her discreetly on non - meeting nights, which is when I started reading on here and other sites like Freeminds. I remember when the Panorama programme on child abuse came out, we were all told it was full of lies, and I accepted that at the time, although I never saw it. I have seen it now, and a few other programmes from other parts of the world, and I was horrified at some of the things I saw, the obvious attempts at covering up the extent of the problem in the Society. We had our own child abuse scandal here recently, and some of the actions taken then by the Elders are certainly open to question.

    Since then, I have read COC, and I now know that I have spent my whole life following men, not God. To say this has been a shock would be an understatement, and I am at a loss as to how to proceed from here. I have not been to Meetings for a few weeks, and don't want to go again, I know the Society do not have the truth. I also know how the Elders will react to my continued absence: they will be knocking on my door before long, and I don't quite know how I am going to handle the pressure they are sure to exert. I have many questions for them, but I doubt I'll get satisfactory answers. Linda has warned me of what to expect, and I hope to be ready. Another consideration is the reaction of my family, most of whom are loyal Witnesses, and I know how upset I used to be when people left, so it will be no differrent for them, but these things have to be faced, and I suppose I will have to face them alone. I know that Trev and Linda will keep me in theor thoughts during the next few weeks, and will support me in any way they can, but it's going to be difficult.

    I am so grateful to you all for your messages of support, they are most appreciated. I know Linda will keep you updated on my situation, and as soon as I get an Internet connection I will be joining this site, you can all be certain of that. I don't know what name I will use, Linda's would probably suit me at the moment more than it suits her, she has no doubts any more! It is wonderful to know that people in my situation have such support boards as this to come to, and I suspect that I am going to be very dependent on Linda, Trev and, when I get a pc, this Forum over the next few months. Once again, thankyou all so much.

    love to you all

    Marion

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    Hi, Marion

    thanks for coming in and telling us a bit about yourself.

    i've been here 2 yrs and its helped me alot.

    everyones story is so different and yet so connected. as is our recovery.

    welcome again!

  • bythesea
    bythesea

    WELCOME Marian!!!!! We are in similar circumstances, except I still have a JW husband who is fighting me on leaving the WTS....as well as many many family members and 2 adult children who are upset at me for not going to most meetings.... so I am one of many here who can relate to your doubts, your uncertainty in how to proceed with doing what your heart and mind tell you must be done if you are to live peacefully with yourself. Its a very hard "wake-up" call, isn't it. Like you, I cried often as I read CofC and felt shattered at how duped I'd been for so many years. I don't know where my own inactivity will take me, I'm trying not to be DF for the sake of family relationships, but there is never any guarantee, is there?

    I'm glad you have a good friend in Linda...and you will pick up more as you visit here....we look forward to getting to know you better and to see how it all works out for you. Take care.... and thanks for sharing your story with us!

    bythesea

  • ThomasCovenant
    ThomasCovenant

    Hello Marion I have been coming to this site for about 18 months now maybe 2 years but haven't posted very much. However I read every topic every single day and have done my best to read all the ones prior to my arrival. Being a 'man' in his 40's I always try to keep the British stiff upper lip and try not to show any emotions. But this is the first time I have cried reading a posting. Your first posting has left me in tears both of sadness and joy. Thank you and all the best for the future.Welcome Thomas Covenant

  • juni
    juni

    Hi Marion.

    Thank you for sharing your story. So many years as a Witness working hard for this organization honestly thinking that you were showing your faith in God by the works you did. I, too, pioneered and had 4 small children during some of the years and then also during their teen years. My intentions were quite honorable in this religion. I was a JW for 21 years and saw and heard a lot. But I kept the blinders on not wanting to believe the hypocrisy. I finally had a mental breakdown and got out. I've had many years of counseling and I found this site and "lurked" for a long time and then I finally signed on. I would read peoples' posts and sit there shaking my head in agreement. I could feel their pain as I, too, had lived through many of the same things. Then I started "talking" with them and getting support and a hearing ear. Something you never get as a witness if you have a question about a certain teaching or a personal problem. Elders were always busy and the quick answer was "trust in Jehovah".

    I, too, remember about the Franz scandal. And when I read his book I was amazed that he was not mean-spirited, but told it like it happened. Also, the many articles that are put on here from newspapers and correspondences w/government authorities that show what the organization does "behind the curtain". All of it appalled me!

    I had many friends in the organization that shunned me towards the end because I wasn't regular for mtgs. and service. It was a conditional friendship.

    It continues to amaze me what this organization that says it has God's backing does to its members.

    I'm getting too wordy here so I will close now. I look forward to your visits Marion at the site. And bless Linda for taking you under her wing! Stay strong.

    Hugs,

    Juni

  • bebu
    bebu

    WELCOME Marion!

    Thanks for posting your story. You have a wonderful friendship with fullofdoubtnow.

    I have never been a JW, but have a JW friend who is 65 and has been a JW for 40 years. It encourages me so much to read of older JWs who are able to overcome the years of indoctrination and call the WTS for what it is--a fraud. It shows me that age is really no barrier for change.

    I pray that my friend will one day be doing the same thing as you. THANKS for posting!!!

    bebu

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    FODN -

    You have proven to be 'a brother [sister] indeed' at her time of need.

    I understand the mix of feelings she has at this time [as many here of course do]. For me it was 43 years as a second generation witness. I left at 48 years of age. It takes some adjustment in life. I wish I could have retained a friend like you.

    Good for her - and good on you.

    Jeff

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    To Marion -

    I had addressed my previous post to FODN - but this one to Marion.

    You are a person of Integrity. That's with a capital I. You have allowed yourself to reason on the pertinent points you mention, and then do what very few have the courage to do in this life - take the right steps, not the easy ones. You can trust that on this forum you will find hundreds, or thousands of former witnesses that had the same courage as you. They stepped up to the plate and made the decisions that were probably the hardest they ever made in life. You did too. It is good to be in company with those who are willing to do so.

    It was not easy to do for most. Many [including Wifey and I] lost our friends of a lifetime, had to start anew in our late 40's. We have been 'shunned', mistreated, lied about, slandered, misrepresented. And the label ' apostate' hurt at the start.

    We are a little slow to re-enter society. We were never the 'social animals' that some are - and probably many witnesses are by nature a little reserved in that area. Still - of what benefit is it to believe lies? We could not - would not. So we found ourselves on the outside looking in. Then all of a sudden we began to feel pity for the poor souls trapped inside. Alas - most refuse to listen to what we say. So they remain trapped. When one gets free [like you] we rejoice.

    I have read CoC and ISoCF a half dozen times I would guess by now. It reinforces to me that I made the right decision when I left.

    May your good friend, FODN, be there for you thru this time of change. We will be too, where we can and where you allow us to do so.

    God Bless -

    Jeff

  • willyloman
    willyloman

    Marion: Your story is our story as well. My wife and I left after examining the same evidence you did, and that was after spending 30 years in the organization - during which time I was a so-called 'prominent" elder and my wife was a frequent Aux Pioneer (and a regular pioneer at one time). We were considered 'pillars' in our old congregation. There's lots of good advice being offered here, so I will just offer this:

    You may be surprised how easy it is to fade and how reluctant other JWs are to call you on your decision. The elders will feel obligated to press you for details, but you can simply screen your calls and not answer or return any that you don't want to deal with. Very shortly they will lose interest in you and move on to the next "problem" (which is how these loving shepherds will quickly come to view you). The rest of the "friends" and even family will fall into two camps: a few will feel compelled to confront you; the rest will distance themselves and just not talk about it. With respect to those who choose to confront: Let them. You will learn much about your inner strength and resolve and will be pleasantly surprised that all that dub training on handling irate householders will come in quite handy. You may also be surprised that some of your former friends and relatives will respect your decision and silently envy you for having the courage to do what they are have only been able to think about doing.

    Above all, follow your conscience and keep studying! We studied ourselves into this organization and that's the only effective way out, by taking in REAL accurate knowledge.

    God bless you on your journey. It's been three years for us and we have never been happier.

  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Bonnie_Clyde

    Seems like Ray Franz was about 58 when he was kicked out of Bethel. He had been baptized for 40+ years.

    I was age 56 when I started reading C of C having been baptized since I was 14 and was a fourth generation witness. Clyde was on his way out about a decade or more before I saw that the WT was a fraud. Fortunately, our two sons have also left the "truth" and are very supportive. But I still have a daughter and my father, brother, nieces and nephews, cousins, etc. I have been treated pretty bad by some of them.

    Nobody is DF'd (yet), but I sometimes it would be a relief. My daughter is the main reason for not disassociating although she has treated me the worst of any of them. I just pray that something will open her eyes, but it doesn't seem likely.

    Bonnie

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