US Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Sec. 8 (g): "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."
Bush Defaces U.S. Flag, contrary to US Code.
by reporter 26 Replies latest members adult
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xjw_b12
Reporter, Quick share that with CNN.
They might put you on TV
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Simon
"... but it can be attached to any product, brand name, logo or badge to sell whatever you want"
I find the treatment of the flag bizzare and eratic. It is worshiped and defended with great fervour and then devalued and cheapened with hardly a thought.
Anyway, I'm off to iron my Union-Jack Boxer-Shorts ready for bed ...
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reporter
Anyway, I'm off to iron my Union-Jack Boxer-Shorts ready for bed ...
I'm not sure how to comment on that! ;-)
BTW, Simon, why doesn't my emoticon window not pop up? or are you adjusting stuff?...
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DakotaRed
Odd, those on the left and those who hate America can burn it, replace the stars with a peace symbol, wear on their pants and cut it up for clothes and that's okay. But, let Bush autograph a small one and some go beserk over it.
As much as some of you hate America, you should be applauding him for it.
But, nothing like more of the anti-American anti-Bush hatred still prevelant here.
Ya'll grasp at any straw, won't you?
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ballistic
Well looks like they're trying to deface the UK flag permanently... you wont believe this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2981038.stm
I sent my comments in, maybe they will or wont appear.
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William Penwell
Logical reason, Bush probably didn't know what it was.
As far as CNN is concerned they would probably glorify the man for being a patrotic American hero and cover it for the next 4 weeks. I can hear them now, "well lets get another angle on this and after the break for the next hour we will interview that American hero that was holding the flag". Anything for ratings.
Will
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Simon
Odd, those on the left and those who hate America can burn it, replace the stars with a peace symbol, wear on their pants and cut it up for clothes and that's okay. But, let Bush autograph a small one and some go beserk over it.
As much as some of you hate America, you should be applauding him for it.
But, nothing like more of the anti-American anti-Bush hatred still prevelant here.
Ok, a few questions:
- Does being critical of Bush mean that you hate America? If so, why?
- Why would anyone who "hate's America" want to wear it on their pants or cut it up for clothes?
- Where have people 'gone beserk'?
- Who is advocating burning it?
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Robdar
Odd, those on the left and those who hate America can burn it, replace the stars with a peace symbol, wear on their pants and cut it up for clothes and that's okay. But, let Bush autograph a small one and some go beserk over it.
Hi Lew, sorry but I cant help myself so here goes:
Odd, how those on the right can allow Bush to deface the flag with his autograph and yet go beserk over the burning or wearing the flag or cutting it up for clothes.
It is also odd how these same Bush loving, flag waving, good Americans on the right think nothing of plastering the flag on their automobiles or attaching them to their car attenae to show their patriotism when these acts are a sign of disrespect for the flag. Amazing too how these right wing Americans never fail to point out how unpatriotic the other side is although they are guilty of the same crimes.
When those flags fell off in our parking lot, I couldn't stand seeing how they were trampled under the feet of these so called good Americans. I got the pleasure of giving them a proper disposal. I burned them.
Robyn
PS...I heard about the good news. Congratulations, my friend.
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Jayson
Does being critical of Bush mean that you hate America? If so, why?
No it does not.
Why would anyone who "hate's America" want to wear it on their pants or cut it up for clothes?
Mockary, defacing, and sometimes it's cool.
Where have people 'gone beserk'?
When they defaced the 9/11 makeshift monuments for an example. But I would hope that none here had anything to do with that. http://www.whittierdailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,207~12026~1234836,00.html
Who is advocating burning it?
Many people do. It is a right according to the courts. And Bush signing it is no big deal.
In a free society where it often seems nothing is sacred, many feel that one thing at least should be: the American flag. For most Americans, no symbol is more charged with emotion, and incidents of its abuse have led many to declare that freedom of expression has its limits.
When Gregory Lee Johnson burned a flag as part of a political protest, he was convicted for flag desecration under Texas law, but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals reversed the conviction on First Amendment grounds and the Supreme Court confirmed that physically damaging the flag constituted symbolic--and protected--speech. Robert Justin Goldstein now examines this landmark case and the attendant controversy over whether protection of the flag conflicts with constitutional guarantees of free speech. He also explores the case's ramifications for future legal battles.
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/golfla.html
If it is something that you know a society cherishes then it is small of anyone to belittle it. Somehow I doubt that this thread was put up because of an aversion to flag desecration. Maybe people should look at the threads that "Reporter" starts and that might explain why some people might call him obessive.
It is also odd how these same Bush loving, flag waving, good Americans on the right think nothing of plastering the flag on their automobiles or attaching them to their car attenae to show their patriotism when these acts are a sign of disrespect for the flag. Amazing too how these right wing Americans never fail to point out how unpatriotic the other side is although they are guilty of the same crimes.
Rob- I know a lot of democrats who place value in the flag, put them on cars, and houses. But, I do agree with you. The flags on the car do not make me say "G.B.A." And there is not a flag on my car or truck. If it makes them feel good then whatever.
When those flags fell off in our parking lot, I couldn't stand seeing how they were trampled under the feet of these so called good Americans. I got the pleasure of giving them a proper disposal. I burned them.
I have not ever seen anyone tramping on a flag in a parking lot but it's good if you pick them up. And there is "flag etiquette."
The Flag Code, which formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag, also contains specific instructions on how the flag is not to be used. They are:
- The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
- The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
- The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
- The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
- The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
- The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.
The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.
When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.
Displaying the Flag Outdoors
When the flag is displayed from a staff projecting from a window, balcony, or a building, the union should be at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half staff.
When it is displayed from the same flagpole with another flag - of a state, community, society or Scout unit - the flag of the United States must always be at the top except that the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for Navy personnel when conducted by a Naval chaplain on a ship at sea.
When the flag is displayed over a street, it should be hung vertically, with the union to the north or east. If the flag is suspended over a sidewalk, the flag's union should be farthest from the building.
When flown with flags of states, communities, or societies on separate flag poles which are of the same height and in a straight line, the flag of the United States is always placed in the position of honor - to its own right.
..The other flags may be smaller but none may be larger.
..No other flag ever should be placed above it.
..The flag of the United States is always the first flag raised and the last to be lowered.When flown with the national banner of other countries, each flag must be displayed from a separate pole of the same height. Each flag should be the same size. They should be raised and lowered simultaneously. The flag of one nation may not be displayed above that of another nation.
Raising and Lowering the Flag
The flag should be raised briskly and lowered slowly and ceremoniously. Ordinarily it should be displayed only between sunrise and sunset. It should be illuminated if displayed at night.
The flag of the United States of America is saluted as it is hoisted and lowered. The salute is held until the flag is unsnapped from the halyard or through the last note of music, whichever is the longest.Displaying the Flag Indoors
When on display, the flag is accorded the place of honor, always positioned to its own right. Place it to the right of the speaker or staging area or sanctuary. Other flags should be to the left.
The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of states, localities, or societies are grouped for display.
When one flag is used with the flag of the United States of America and the staffs are crossed, the flag of the United States is placed on its own right with its staff in front of the other flag.
When displaying the flag against a wall, vertically or horizontally, the flag's union (stars) should be at the top, to the flag's own right, and to the observer's left.
Parading and Saluting the Flag
When carried in a procession, the flag should be to the right of the marchers. When other flags are carried, the flag of the United States may be centered in front of the others or carried to their right. When the flag passes in a procession, or when it is hoisted or lowered, all should face the flag and salute.
The Salute
To salute, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart. Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge.
The Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem
The pledge of allegiance should be rendered by standing at attention, facing the flag, and saluting.
When the national anthem is played or sung, citizens should stand at attention and salute at the first note and hold the salute through the last note. The salute is directed to the flag, if displayed, otherwise to the music.The Flag in Mourning
To place the flag at half staff, hoist it to the peak for an instant and lower it to a position half way between the top and bottom of the staff. The flag is to be raised again to the peak for a moment before it is lowered. On Memorial Day the flag is displayed at half staff until noon and at full staff from noon to sunset.
The flag is to be flown at half staff in mourning for designated, principal government leaders and upon presidential or gubernatorial order.
When used to cover a casket, the flag should be placed with the union at the head and over the left shoulder. It should not be lowered into the grave.