Let's hear it for INTOLERANCE and DISRESPECT!

by nicolaou 28 Replies latest members adult

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Unless an individual understands the value of disrespect any respect shown is devalued. If intolerance is not defended what is the merit in being tolerant?

    I respect a persons right to hold any belief structure they choose. However, if their creeds and dogmas are ridiculous I will ridicule those beliefs and show them no respect. I will be disrespectful of the belief. For example, I have no respect for the belief that "there is no God but Allah". I am tolerant of almost all Muslims but surely intolerance of forced marriage is an acceptable position?

    So where should the lines of intolerance and disrespect be drawn - if they should be drawn at all? As ever I guess that common courtesy and good manners should prevail but there certainly are times when I want to be very disrespectful and intolerant indeed!

  • RebelWife
    RebelWife

    I think that, yes, they have the right to hold their beliefs. I also think I have the right to hold mine. If I think their beliefs are ludicrous, I am entitled to that belief. I will respect the person (to a point), but not the beliefs. In my role as a UBM, I struggle with wanting to ridicule my husband's beliefs because they are ridiculous, but that wouldn't help anything. And he's not ridiculous. I'm just glad he doesn't want to talk about it.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    As long as they don't step on my toes, I won't step on theirs. Once they infringe on my rights, I feel I can be disrespectful, if it is productive. I tolerate anything that does not violate another's rights, but I don't tolerate intolerance.

    Your example of forced marriage is a good one, here we have a clear violation of rights, in which coercion is used. We don't have to tolerate, or respect, that at all.

    Your other example, the one about Allah, is not a good example. A personal belief, in itself, is neither coercive nor intolerant.

    Burn

  • Nowman
    Nowman

    I have wondered myself about this recently more so than ever due to some circumstances. Should I fight this and that battle? Should I call whatever or whoever on the carpet? My answer is, I DO NOT KNOW. I pick and choose my battles, but do I choose the right ones? I DON'T KNOW.

    Hopefully, in the end, I have made the right choices when it comes to above, but it also is true that there are just people out there that are intolerable and disrepectful! I am glad I am not, at least not intentionally, I can't control people's perceptions.

    Nikki

  • Layla33
    Layla33

    I think this is a good subject, it's a fine line to walk. How can you be tolerant and respectful all the time when there are conflicting thoughts and beliefs. If you tolerate one do you think disrespect another? How do conflicting ideology coexist peacefully?

    I think since the age of reason, this type of duality has been examined. And if you look at conflict today, it can be summed up as to what we are discussing.

    To be honest, I think some conflict is good, as I tend to be a conflict theorist. It is natural and breaks up the montony of thought and brings about progress in thinking and living for all.

    I think in terms of discussions, I am more for open rather than closed and just a few general guidelines followed, which are pretty common sense. If you think something is stupid, say it, if you don't agree say it, if you have a belief debate your point and vice versa, however, that's theoritical to me. In real life everyday interaction, I think tolerance is more important than respect, although they go hand and hand. I have an example that comes to mind:

    I am not sure if everyone is familiar with the MOVE people, but I remember when this happened very well. These people did not agree with the way this country lived in a few very important ways, but they tolerated the country they lived in and chose to practice against the grain in their dwellings. HOWEVER, the city was not particularly tolerant of them, but other people complained about them, found their belief system offensive, etc

    What happened next was a terrible series of events which lead to about two blocks being fire bombed and lives lost, all because of a religious movement. So the question becomes who was being intolerant and whom was being disrespectful? I guess it depends on the party involved.

    Interesting subject, no easy answers.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    I think the time when respect was automatically due is gone. Most people don't even know the meaning of the word 'deference'. We don't 'doff the cap' anymore.

    Respect was tied up with social structures for so long (at least here in the UK) but all these values are in flux now. It's not all good but I'd rather have healthy cynicism than unthinking respect.

  • B_Deserter
    B_Deserter

    I disrespect and am intolerant of any belief system that strips people of their basic human rights. Other than that, I'm a live-and-let-live person.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou
    Your other example, the one about Allah, is not a good example. A personal belief, in itself, is neither coercive nor intolerant.

    Excuse me Burn. The belief - publically spread - that Paradise is awaiting the faithful JW, Muslim or Orthodox Christian is certainly a coercive and persuasive carrot. The belief, broadcast from the pulpit or door to door, of an eternity of suffering in hellfire or absolute death at Armageddon is a most powerful stick of intolerance and negative coercion.

    I don't know if you believe in hellfire or not Burn but many millions have done through the centuries and it certainly influenced their behaviour. Beliefs, inculcated and nurtured, are certainly coercive and by definition are intolerant of attacks (although this can be overcome).

    Look at the current outcry over embryonic stem cell research. Religious groups just cannot tolerate it. Why? Because of their beliefs! Unfounded, illogical, ludicrous, risible, fantastical beliefs!

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Excuse me Burn. The belief - publically spread - that Paradise is awaiting the faithful JW, Muslim or Orthodox Christian is certainly a coercive and persuasive carrot. The belief, broadcast from the pulpit or door to door, of an eternity of suffering in hellfire or absolute death at Armageddon is a most powerful stick of intolerance and negative coercion.

    Please point out the coercion in either statement above, there is persuasive power perhaps but not coercive.

    Stop being an asshat, it is people like you that ran the Inquisition.

    Burn

  • lonelysheep
    lonelysheep

    The line should be drawn when there is an unsafe environment for people both physically and mentally. On here, telling people what they should or shouldn't believe or being nasty to someone just for their belief system or lack thereof..the line needs to be drawn.

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