THE CHEESE CRACKER MEN - R - Defined

by JT 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  JT

  JT,

  I normally understand everything you write, and get what you mean, but I have been trying to figure out your CHEESE CRACKER men expression? Help me, please?

  Danny

  The Cheese Cracker Men who are they??

  In my view understanding who these men are will help a person who is considering DAing himself or meeting with these men- these men are the elders

  you see at Walmart you have persons who hand out cheese when you come in for a living, now in and of itself there is nothing wrong with doing this for a living, it is honest work but the problem is typically speaking a person who does this for a living generally is not one who then turns around and makes decisions about folks very lives, their self worth or determine thier relationship with god, yet that is what elders do-

  so when a person meets with the elders either for a judical meeting or give them a DAing you are meeting with CHEESE CRACKER MEN-

  NOW WHY allow anyone want to allow such a person do determine thier self .

  No one ever meets with the real movers and shakers with in the org, guys from Service or Writing, instead all jw meet with the Cheese Cracker men

  take bill bowen, while we understand that he was making a point about the judical system, even he didn't get a hearing before anyone from NY instead we all saw the 3 Cheese Cracker Men coming out of the Hotel that met with him

  I often think of the dear women on this board who have personally expericnce the Cheese Cracker Men

  imagine telling someone on their job who is a non jw that they meet with 3 guys who work at walmart handing out Cheese and they asked her if she sucked on a man Peter

  yes 3 men who many times have not even finished High School are asking women questions about the most personal things one can imagine,

  one person stands out in my mind-- there is a Dr. in my old Hall --she has to submit to MS who are uneducated due to being a woman,

  at work she commands entire staffs of men and watching her submit herself under the belief that this is jah will is so sad-

  I will tell anyone who is considering leaving, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME dealing with Cheese Cracker men- they are below you and don't give them the time of day- this is one of the reasons why i Will Never write a DAing letter- I Refuse to Dignify their Title or Position by sending them anything.

  I don';t need that type of Closure in my life, I closed out my days as a jw the night i turned in my Flock book and walk My Black A$$ out the door. If anyone want me they will have to come to me-

  It is so important to me esp for women to understand this concept because it will empower them-

  these guys have no right to question any woman about the subjects that elders feel they are entitled to.

  We often think about the elders found in the western countries, what scares me is when you get into 3rd or underdeveloped countries - they don't even have the Cheese , just Crackers- smile

  Looking back on being an elder it is now a Joke- it's sorta like we were on the Andy Griffin Show and we were all Barney ---

  the wt has created one of the greatest pull the wool, where they take reg old guys like me and others

  tell us that god appointed us, tell the members that god appointed us and then put us in charge NO QUESTOINS ASKED-

  Yes I too was a Cheese Cracker Man

  smile

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  Nathan Natas

  (...in best Homer Simpson voice) "MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm CHEeeese!"

  I was only a "Junior Cheese Cracker Man" (picture Ernest Borgnine, if you will) myself, JT.

  A Cracker Jr. Cheese Cracker Man, if you will.

  I love your point of view, and you are absolutely correct about the way people GIVE these Cheese Cracker Men control over their lives.

  We need to wake up and smell the cheese.

  Edited by - Nathan Natas on 9 November 2002 21:13:1
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  DannyBear

  JT,

  Ahhh the supermarket freebee hawker's. Cheese & real 'cracker's', cracker's the operative word, really does befit the majority of the elder's at large.

  Relegated to handing out the meager 'samples' the society alot's them to do, they must alway's put on a good show for the customer's.....cutting the 'cheese'.........but let any customer (publisher) question the origin or value of the freebee, said 'Cracker'(s) will remind them that they are 'princes' not really 'Cracker's', and if a customer is bold enough to suggest the 'cracker's" are stale, and the 'cheese' is smelly, the 'Cracker's' rip thier aprons off, serving no more.....chasing the customer down the aisles.. with mounting 'righteous indignation' cornering the customer in the back stock room.....where the Cheese and Cracker men transform into 'security guards' with an attitude.......... poor customer just wanted to know why the cheese smelled funny!!!!!!!!!

  Did I get the point.....or am I just drunk?

  Thanks JT.

  BearSlurs
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  Prisca

  Danny,

  Yes, you did get the point, and you created a very funny visual. Thanks for the giggle.
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  minimus

  JT,Here I thought you were referring to some of us as "crackers". ...lol.....I notice most of your posts deal with how women are mistreated in the organization, whether it was your wife or mom or others that you knew. Do you express this thought mostly because of your personal experiences where somebody got badly mistreated or do you center on this primarily because of principle?
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  DannyBear

  Prisca,

  I just finished making 75 gallons of Cabernet today, when we finished the crush....we celebrated our hard work by consuming several bottles of last years production............so I was not kidding about being drunk.

  Iam glad I did not make a complete fool of myself! Thanks.

  Danny
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  Stephanus

  I prefer Matchstick Men, myself...

  Edited by - Stephanus on 10 November 2002 0:55:41
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  larc

  Danny, you make wine? Years ago, I used to make 50 gallons every year. Mine was more like a Chianti, or dago red as some used to call it.
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  DannyBear

  larc,

  I live in area that has become world famous for it's red wine. There are probably 60 to 80 wineries within 20 miles of my home.

  Most of our friends in the area, are wine lover's. So several of us got serious about making some.

  Our first effort was a desert wine made from Zinfandel grapes, actually it was a port.....fortified with brandy. On a fluke we entered it in the Calif Mid State Fair and won gold medal. The next year we did a Syrah and won silver medal.

  Each year we keep buying new equipment.........one of the group just planted 5 acres of Zin, and some Merlot.

  Maybe someday (4-5yrs) we may actually have a viable commercial enterprise. Until then we have gifts for the holiday's, and never go without a good bottle of red.

  Cheer's!

  Danny
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  Kenneson

  Minimus,

  Floridians and Georgians are often called "crackers." "The Florida Handbook" by Allen Morris traces the origins of this nickname. "Francis R. Goulding, in Marooner's Island (1869), thought the name was derived from Scotch settlers in whose dialect a 'cracker' was a person who talked boastingly. John Lambert, in Travels Through Lower Canada, and the United States of North America (1810) wrote: 'The waggoners are familiarly called crackers (from the smacking of their whip, I suppose).' Emily P. Burke, in Reminiscences of Georgia (1850), said crackers were called that 'from the circumstance that they formerly pounded all their corn, which is their principle article of diet.' Two modern historians, A.J. and Kathryn Abbey Hanna, writing in their Lake Okeechobee (1948), said: 'The name 'cracker' frequently applied to countrymen of Georgia and Florida is supposed to have originated as a cattle term.' Florida cowboys popped whips of braided buckskin, twelve to eighteen feet long. The 'crack' sounded like a rifle shot and at times could be heard for several miles. The writer of the newspaper column 'Cracker Politics' suggested it might be prudent to accompany the nickname with a smile."

  "Angus M. Laird, Tallahassee scholar, has traced the word cracker back to Barclay's 'Shyp of Folys,' a play published in 1509 which made reference to 'Crakers and Bosters,' apparently meaning traveling troubadours. Shakespeare in his 'Life and Death of King John,' written about 1590, has the Duke of Austria saying "What cracker is this that deafs our ears/With this abundance of superfluous breath?' From these early usages, reported Laird, 'the word has come to mean many things in the English language throughout the world.' "

  Thus one can see the etymology of the word, terminating in our modern day cheese cracker men.