Bethel Tour-long sorry

by samiam2b 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • samiam2b
    samiam2b

    I'm new as a member but have watched the site for a while.

    One of my kids, who lives in another part of the country, came for a summer visit from another state and asked to go on a Bethel Tour. She lives with her JW mother and is surrounded by Jws and they even baptized her recently. Her sister couldn't come to visit me this summer because "she is pioneering" so I thought a bethel tour would be a good idea. We couldn't find anything on the website about tours, like where they are, where to park, how to get there, etc. They don't even have a phone number to call on the website. Sure seems odd since I was told all my childhood how special bethel was and how all good witness boys should go there.

    I decided to get married at 18 to avoid sinning rather than bethel... although that didn't exactly work (shhh, my ex is still a JW and has never admitted to it!).

    We called information for a telephone number to get the hours and used Google to see what all the tour companies had to say. My daughter was excited but I was apprehensive wondering if they had some way of figuring out who I was. The alarm bells didn't ring when I walked in... then approaching the counter I told the person sitting there we were hoping for a tour. He looked us over, asked who we were, and asked about my daughter. I thought for sure that was going to be it, the ninja elders would grab me and take me into a back interogation room. That didn't happen but may be because I avoided giving the spelling of my name. We got our own private tour away from all the dressed up people...

    When my daughter went to the bathroom while waiting for a tourguide, the greeter called me over and said, "Brother samiam2b, we normally would expect people to be dressed like they are going to meeting but since your daughter is visiting from out of town, it will be ok". Gee, golly, thanks "brother". I wonder why he assumed I was a brother, believe me I did not give any sign of it... The message was recieved loud and clear, only then did I notice everyone else had ties and dresses on. We (small group) had shorts and tshirts like tourists. Nothing like that to make you feel uncomfortable, I could've walked out right then if it weren't for my daughter.

    I have toured a lot of museums and sites of interest but never was I as disappointed in a tour as the Bethel. Our guide was nice enough, as she told us several times that it was an honor for her to be there since they don't let many single sisters go... but anything doctrine related was said as a "they believe" rather than "we". I wonder how much training and programming goes on to prepare tour guides, do they have a tour guide school like KMS? The tour walked us around the hallways to look at posters of all the work happening around the world... a KH build in Brazil, a printing press in Germany, lots of smiling portraits used for WT publications, etc.

    I did notice outside there were several groups of "hotty" bethel girls greeting the bethel boys walking on the sidewalk. I found that somewhat humorous for some reason... maybe because the vow of celibacy is so unrealistic with young attractive people who are far away from home but need constant robotic mind control to keep them inline.

    Overall it was the most non-tour of a tour I had ever seen.... the time spent in Manhattan and Time Square was a lot more fun for all of us. ;-)

    I'm not sure what the point of my post is... other than that was the most time spent around JWs in the last 8 years or so and it was very wierd to hear them talk, having cleared my head of the lingo that they use in such a forced anthropological way. I'm so burned on religion that my mind blocks out all thoughts/questions/concepts having any ties to JW stuff. I'm not sure if that would be considered better or worse to them than if I became a catholic or lutheran or something...

    Finally, I'm not an activist and just mind my own business. I made up my mind for myself and think others should do the same. Just posting this message though probably paints me as apostate, which is a big risk considering my daughters nieve young minds.

    Cheers

    -samiam2b

  • startingover
    startingover

    So what was going on there? I know the printing operation is gone, is that all they did was show you posters on the wall?

  • collegegirl21
    collegegirl21

    Welcome!!!!!

    I'm sorry you had to go on the tour. I didn't realize you had to dress like you were going to the meetings, weird!

  • samiam2b
    samiam2b

    Thanks guys... it was all offices. They have acronyms for things but basically the administrative offices are there. The legal office, the public information office, building coordination, assembly coordination, their equivalent to human resources, etc. If you want to see printing work you have to go to Walkill but the guide told us we might not see anything because when they are printing something new they hide it behind black curtains... sheesh!

    And yes, other than going up and down the elevator, we only got to see posters. How anticlimactic! Oh wait, she pointed out the residence building a mile away where many of the bethelites live and have to walk to bethel in all weather. WTS plows the walkway for the city. How generous.

  • collegegirl21
    collegegirl21

    They hide their new publications or magazines? Oh mylanta!

  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    Seems pointless to tour administrative offices to me. I wonder if anyone comes home "encouraged" from that.

  • fresia
    fresia

    I went to bethel with family in 94' we had jeans long coats, we meet with other b/s from out of NYC and some from Canada, we were not hassled at all about our dress.

  • penny2
    penny2
    she pointed out the residence building a mile away

    That was a bit disappointing! The most interesting part about bethel for me was seeing the rooms where they live, the kitchen, the library, the dining room and the offices.

    I went to a bethel in Europe - I had already been filled in on what a hell-hole it was so to see it firsthand was fascinating. The bethel in Australia seemed friendly enough.

  • InquiryMan
    InquiryMan

    I´ve been to HQs, Bethel in Selters (Germany), and besides that the Bethel homes in United Kingdom, Sweden. Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Italy, Austria, Barbados and Greece. As a witness, I always thought it was interesting, and enjoyed it. Tidsbits: Bethel NY: thought the furniture etc was rather old fashioned. Germany: modern, efficient, the most impressive Bethel I´ve toured. The Bethelites got weekly visits from a psychiatrist in addition to dentist and doctor. Quite strict when walking around... (A very loyal German friend of mine, told me that the German Bethel is pretty strict). France: old Bethel at Boulogne-Billancourt. Small and relaxed, not very orderly, but very friendly. Italy: toured it in shorts. Very nice and friendly staff. the Netherlands: nice, but a bit stiff. Denmark, cordial and nice Sweden: nice, and full of marble Norway: small and nice Austria: visited both the new and the old one... In the new one, the curtains used in the old reception, was re-used in a storage room.... I just remembered it because a door was opened and they were so 70ish. Greece: old one Kifisias. Very nice staff, the boys played volleyball in the garden, relaxed amosphere. Barbados: very small Bethel, more like a home. Very friendly brother... Sorry, I was unable to trash anything.... ;-) Still: decined being a Bethelite when invited - to narrow and strict. Even for a very loyal JW at the time...

  • Dagney
    Dagney
    I´ve been to HQs, Bethel in Selters (Germany), ... Germany: modern, efficient, the most impressive Bethel I´ve toured. The Bethelites got weekly visits from a psychiatrist in addition to dentist and doctor. Quite strict when walking around... France: old Bethel at Boulogne-Billancourt....

    I've been to these also. Selters was really impressive. I felt the Germans overall were VERY reserve, except for our tour guide who wore a pink suit as I remember. We were invited to the Overseers room for cake and coffee after noon meal...that was very nice, and very elaborate. We got to know the psychiatrist very well there...what a gem/gift of a man. He took a lot of slack from his congo because he let his children go to college. He said how could he deny his children the same opportunity he was given? I thought he was very honest and real. His congo stunk. I think we went to three meetings and very very few if any people came up to greet us. And the old French Bethel...very small, just as you say. But we met a young Bethelite who lived in his own apt. He invited us for dinner at his place that evening, and really had a nice time. Brooklyn has changed immensely. I was there 2 years ago and I could not believe the difference in the attitude of the Bethelites from last time I went.

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