topics posted in friends..... seeking answers and comments!.
disfellowshipment without proper understanding.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/51007/1.ashx.
Topics posted in Friends..... seeking answers and comments!
DISFELLOWSHIPMENT WITHOUT PROPER UNDERSTANDING
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/51007/1.ashx
WITH WHAT LOVE
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/51008/1.ashx
IMAGE 666 OF REVELATION
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/51076/1.ashx
666. you all know it as the mark of the wild beast.
i'm begining studies on this subject and my first impressions so far have been quite interesting.
i believe that the jws have it wrong.
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You all know it as the mark of the wild beast. I'm begining studies on this subject and my first impressions so far have been quite interesting. I believe that the JWs have it wrong. And a post in this web site confirms my thought. As strange or typical as you might find it I'm seeing a lot of posts here in this site that MANY of you have related to the JWs or at least the GB as Grandious .... As in they speak many things about many religions or even about things as our suposidly 'Way of Life'.
Now when I was a JW. I was studing in the Daniel book and I hurd this word before "Grandious".... It was a horn that came up within 10 horns and it had eyes that wondered and a mouth that spoke GRANDIOUS things, that is if my memory serves me right.
AND ALSO
there was this interesting post that I couldn't believe the number of people that posted here. It was titled "New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)"
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/50250/1.ashx
Well I was shocked to see that the witnesses would change their opinion to 'I don't know who the wild beast is'. They wrote so many times in the Daniel Book or was it Isiah telling us all these historic dates about nations that died and splitting and we were told it was the Nations that were this wild beast. And now in this post I hear that they won't even SPECULATE!!!!
Unbelievable!
Or is it believable!!!.... See I feel that this JW orginazation was very unloving to me and I wanted answers... I looked in the bible and my eyes are looking for your posts... But what I see is the Witnesses are this wild beast. I've looked into revelation and I see God's 7 bowls of anger and I see the witnesses HOLY SPIRIT.... that gives them the ability to print god's word... I see that Drying up like the bowl of gods anger in revilation drying up the rivers.
I also see the witnesses predicted that harmegedon would hit in 1929, 75 and after they got the hint they shouldn't be doing that because those were their false predictions... In Mathew it talks about the faithful and descrete slave how it turned Evil, well at least a part of it did that it talks about. I just feel that the Witnesses if they did have god's favor at one time in the past they had to have lost it because it seems like they jumped ahead of themselves and became to prideful of who they were. am I right????
I was disfellowshipped and I went to the hall asking for extra bibles just so I could highlight scriptures that I felt went so well together but yet proved the witnesses were not doing things right. But I was denied the three bibles I asked for.... reason ( It's what the society says we have to do ).... I felt SHOCKED and stuned that I could get as many magazines as I wanted but not more than one bible! I told this to a friend and he said sounds like the mark of the wild beast ... In revilation theres a scripture saying those with the mark can buy or sell......... I Felt that fit in perfictly... I wasn't a JW ( I didn't have the mark) and I couldn't buy ( I couldn't even take a bible )....
These are my thoughts friends... I need to do a LOT of studing and I'm sure it won't take me too long. I think I have good ideas I'm just looking for scriptures to show you all. I thought you might be able to help me or possibly share your opinions, Thanks
ILLUMINATE
start of part two!!.
disfellowshipping happens a lot and for many different reasons why.
lets say you were smoking, this is a habbit that is not too easy to treat.
Everyone.... Excellent posts!!!
And yes I'm a young man.
About the gay guy that I was talking about... he decided to talk to me at a park. Ironically we had the same name and had a long chat about the bible. As for leasbians, never met one yet. I don't think they are interested in me lol. I guess what I was trying to say is some people can't stop no matter how hard they want to. But all of your posts were excellent in talking about the topics and using scriptures as well!
keep in touch
ILLUMINATE
start of part two!!.
disfellowshipping happens a lot and for many different reasons why.
lets say you were smoking, this is a habbit that is not too easy to treat.
START OF PART TWO!!
Disfellowshipping happens a lot and for many different reasons why. Lets say you were smoking, this is a habbit that is not too easy to treat. What if you were an alchoholic, yes that is an ADDICTION called alchoholism. Lets say you were sexually molested at a young age and thats all you knew growing up and that becomes hard wired in your brain that possibly thats ok when it really isn't. People have become attracted to the same sex not because of it being unnatural but because it is VERY natural to them because possibly growing up with just a dad, going to boy scouts, growing up all arround guys and with no women figure in their life they have grown naturally in their lives as having a same sex relationship is normal for them.
and no for any that think that I'm GAY or an ALCOHOLIC or a SMOKER; No sorry, but I have hurd of people first hand of their thoughts about this and my heart goes out to them because they want to do the right thing by what the bible says but it just doesn't come naturally to them so they get DISFELLOWSHIPPED!!!!
It is Jesus's undeserved kindness that we should be thinking that will SAVE them. Not toss them arround in and out of the congregations. It was Love of Jesus that should be the main focus and thats why you don't see more rules and more opinions from Paul in his writings in Romans.
Yes disfellowship is not a word in the bible... although some have been able to make it scriptually based, Paul did write those things. But what if we found that it was Jesus's Love Paul was really trying to describe in an overall scense......
more of what Jesus said:
John 8:4,5,7 "4 they said to him: "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the Law Moses prescribed for us to stone such sort of women. What, really, do you say? 7When they persisted in asking him, he straightened up and said to them: "Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her."
Did he disfellowship her? Oh and what about......
Luke 7:45-50,37 45 You gave me no kiss; but this woman, from the hour that I came in, did not leave off tenderly kissing my feet. 46 You did not grease my head with oil; but this woman greased my feet with perfumed oil. 47 By virtue of this, I tell you, her sins, many though they are, are forgiven, because she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little."
oh yeah um did he dissfellowship her too.......... Verse 37 "37 And, look! a woman who was known in the city to be a sinner learned that he was reclining at a meal"
oh yeah maybe we should have disfellowshipped Jesus for talking to a sinner who knows she sins, everyone knows it and makes weird faces at her, she has to be doing this continuely
DISFELLOWSHIP JESUS DISFELLOWSHIP JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah well sorry I get carried away... I feel getting dissed is dumb anyone else have the same idea?
do you think disfellowshipping is unscriptural?.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/50957/727066/post.ashx#727066.
that was the topic that inspired this..... i have given many scriptures in the previous topic showing how jesus had so much love for us and i feel that paul was trying to set an example for us in his writings.
Do You Think Disfellowshipping is Unscriptural?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/50957/727066/post.ashx#727066
That was the topic that inspired this....
I have given many scriptures in the previous topic showing how Jesus had so much love for us and I feel that Paul was trying to set an example for us in his writings. Look at this.....
1 Corinthians 4:16 "I entreat YOU, therefore, become imitators of me."
and.....
1 Corinthians 11:1 "Become imitators of me, even as I am of Christ"
I feel that he was trying to set a good example in order to help his brothers in the Corinthian congregation. But I think he did change his mind or possibly had to clairify things that were misunderstood. Because of 2 Corinthians.....
2 Corinthians 2:5-8 "5 Now if anyone has caused sadness, he has saddened, not me, but all of YOU to an extent-not to be too harsh in what I say. 6 This rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man, 7 so that, on the contrary now, YOU should kindly forgive and comfort [him], that somehow such a man may not be swallowed up by his being overly sad. 8 Therefore I exhort YOU to confirm YOUR love for him"
Here he changes his attitude to forgiving and having LOVE. And he continues with that into Romans. Him moving from Corinth to Rome on his travels. Jesus Christ and his undeserved kindness he gives he writes about in Romans, he doesn't give some more rules and guidelines but focuses more on the BIGGER PICTURE... LOVE.
Like in the previous post about disfellowshipping there I posted many things of what Jesus said like....
Mattew 7:12 "All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean."
I feel that LOVE was the message Jesus was trying to show to people. Love, forgiveness, and mercy.
END OF PART ONE............................... Im looking forward to hearing your comments and read my PART TWO please!
and for those that believe disfellowshipping is unacceptable, would you want to have known child molesters as members of a congregation that you were in?
1 Corinthians 4:3 "Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by YOU or by a human tribunal. Even I do not examine myself."
How can we examine others when we shouldn't even be examining ourselves?
Mattew 7:12
"All things, therefore, thatYOU want men to do to YOU , YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.
If love was the law in our heart, what need would there be for other laws?
Romans 3:20 "Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin."
If the laws in the bible is a means of showing us what sin is........
Romans 5:9 " Much more, therefore, since we have been declared righteous now by his blood, shall we be saved through him from wrath."
Romans 6:14 " For sin must not be master over YOU , seeing that YOU are not under law but under undeserved kindness"
....then the bible shows us how important Jesus's undeserved kindness is to everyone.
Mathew 11:30 "my yoke is kindly my load is light"
and for those that believe disfellowshipping is unacceptable, would you want to have known child molesters as members of a congregation that you were in?
My thought is:
1Corinthians 5:13
" while God judges those outside? "Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves." implying that men have the ablility to judge ones inside the congregation. He said also in 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 " Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.". This would shun a person to repent.contrast that to:
. Jesus said in Mathew 7:1 "Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU.". Even when Peter thought it was good enough to forgive someone just 7 times Jesus corrected him and said at Mathew 18:22 "Jesus said to him: "I say to you, not, Up to seven times, but, Up to seventy-seven times.".
Mathew 23:23
"but YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness.".Mathew 9:13
"I want mercy, and not sacrifice.".Judging now would uproot the wheat along with the weeds. (1 Corinthians Ch 6) There will be judging of the world and of angels in Gods kingdom to come. (Mathew 25:32) Jesus will do the separating of sheep and goats it is not up to an elder. (Mathew 19:28-30)
(Galatians 5:4) YOU are parted from Christ, whoever YOU are that try to be declared righteous by means of law; YOU have fallen away fro his undeserved kindness
has anyone noticed that alot of paul's ideas that are part of the scriptures contrast directly with jesus'??
paul said about fornicators, idolaters, etc.
that they should be booted out of the congregation and should be "treated as a person of the nation, or a tax collector" and that no one should "even say a greeting to him.
I think your on to something good Mary
I had the same thought when I was looking at those scriptures
1Corinthians 5:13
" while God judges those outside? "Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves." implying that men have the ablility to judge ones inside the congregation. He said also in 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 " Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.". This would shun a person to repent.. Jesus said in Mathew 7:1 "Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU.". Even when Peter thought it was good enough to forgive someone just 7 times Jesus corrected him and said at Mathew 18:22 "Jesus said to him: "I say to you, not, Up to seven times, but, Up to seventy-seven times.".
Mathew 23:23
"but YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness.".Mathew 9:13
"I want mercy, and not sacrifice.".Judging now would uproot the wheat along with the weeds. (1 Corinthians Ch 6) There will be judging of the world and of angels in Gods kingdom to come. (Mathew 25:32) Jesus will do the separating of sheep and goats it is not up to an elder. (Mathew 19:28-30)
(Galatians 5:4) YOU are parted from Christ, whoever YOU are that try to be declared righteous by means of law; YOU have fallen away fro his undeserved kindness
Maybe he was so mad about the reports about the congregation of Corinth that he decided to add his own thoughts into the picture, but I feel that latter on he came to correct himself by writing a 2 Corinthians and then Romans. In romans it starts talking about Jesus rather than a bunch of laws. But thats just my opinion.
