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  Witnessing to athiests

  by zound in

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  can't seem to find anything about this in the reasoning book.

  what do jehovah's witnesses usually say / instructed to say to try and get athiests interesteds in joining?.

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  Borgia

  The fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a Great Designer; perhaps some species are destroyed when the Designer becomes dissatisfied with them, and new experiments are attempted on an improved design. But this notion is a little disconcerting. Each plant and animal is exquisitely made; should not a supremely competent Designer have been able to make the intended variety from the start? The fossil record implies trial and error, an inability to anticipate the future, features inconsistent with an efficient Great Designer (although not with a Designer of a more remote and indirect temperament)

  There you go. very candidly indeed.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  If Watchtower was a country

  by zound in

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  if the watchtower society was the leadership of a state or country, and jehovah's witnesses were the citizens of said state or country.

  which do you think current or imaginary regime or country would that be likened too?.

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  Costa Torre di Guardia and Costa ¡Despertad! hmmmm ... And everybody had to "volunteer" for car groups and foreign territory. Since the brotherhood may not be used for commercial enterprises, I wonder what would become of their economics.

  It would be interesting to consider their local wear.Probably: no pants for women. Regulated internet, Watchtower news channel, noise police, behavior police, no political parties, just lobbyist and old boys network. No sailing boats since they take to much time of of being productive. 5,5 days working week, no benefits and pensions.

  Considering Revelation's dire warning that those who destroy the earth will be destroyed, Their way of life should reflect that view. A market for GMO's is hard to see in JW lalaland. Since no one prepares for retirement, insurance companies won't have a ball there either. Dances: hmmm, probably just Watchtower polka's, although they have a biblical precedence of break and street dancing naked (King David).

  Since they are required by biblical law to have honest weights and measures, it follows that inflation by money creation/ printing is out of the question. Currently, money creations is preceded by debt creation and usury. since this is forbidden by divine law, the system would not work. It would to be expected that they would use a gold and silver based currency. So, they cannot be member of the BIS and so, they will ran queer to the banking cartels, since they do not work with the petro dollar .... inviting the US to bomb the shit out of the WBTS lalaland.

  Cheers

  Borgia

  I think it would be a great idea to give all Jw's their own homeland, somewhere in the middle east or something and let history unfold ....

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Ex-Apostate experiences?

  by zound in

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  expanding on a point someone made in another thread:.

  just wondering if anyone ever heard any experiences at assemblies or khalls of apostates that went back to become an upstanding jw.

  or even just experiences related amongst jw's.

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  Borgia

  Sometimes the WT conjuresup an expereince, or uses one from 30 or 40 years ago about de Df-ed person coming back for reason of being shunned. Usually, it involves transgression of a sexual nature. Nothing about being apostate ( which is actually disagreeing with the WTS for good reason)

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  Borgia
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  I met a lady last week.........

  by Iamallcool in

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  i met a lady last week, we like each other, she flirted with me but i have not asked her out for date.

  she is very pretty but i ran a background check on her.

  she got arrested for possession of marijuana last year.

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  If the danger of law enforcement prevents you from dating a nice lady, let alone end up in bed with her, you should get politically involved and change the law. It's very simple. You should be mad as hell. The US has a fetish for war on almost everything and it is simply a failure of epic proportions. And it is this failure to recognize a failure that prevents you from dating a woman you feel attracted to.

  Weed? Maybe next time you may want to background check whether she drinks raw milk.

  The more liberty minded countries around this globe have better experience with protection of freedom than persecution of individual liberty. It is about time the US got its fetish for freedom back again, wouldn't you say?

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Did Church fathers and Jesus see the Bible as metaphor?

  by leavingwt in

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  does anyone here believe that jesus viewed genesis as being a metaphor?

  if they believed it to be a historical account about real people, what are the implications?

  as a jw, i wasn't allowed to publicly entertain such questions.

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  LWT wrote quoting:

  " “So the people of this time will be punished for the murder of all the prophets killed since the creation of the world, from the murder of Abel to the murder of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the holy place” (Luke 11:50-51).”

  Unquote.

  In and of itself, this statement is somewhat peculiar . Abel, lived well before the flood (an event also mentioned by celebrated Jesus) Why would a just God, who allegedly institued the law: that a son should not be punished for the sins of the father, require Jesus's generation to suffer for murder perpetuated in the past before they were born and had not even remotely any part in it?

  The statement itself contradicts the Mosaic law. So, since we can't have contradictions, and Jesus is the fulfillment of the law, it cannot be taken literally but allegorically. Jesus as the embodiement, the final emandation of all the prophets, to be killed and the retribution would be required of that generation committing such deads.

  So, my take on it is: the statement cannot be used to support an historical Abel.

  And really, I have no problem calling the devisors of the gospels cavelier as to Jesus's alleged historical perception, not even going into the issue of Jesus own historicity.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  "Demand Watchtower to Publically Apologize" Petition

  by DT in

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  here is the petition.

  http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/exjwspetition/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=system&utm_campaign=send%2bto%2bfriend.

  i'm not involved with that petition, but i have signed it and i think it is a good idea.

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  Signed.

  What may be more interesting is not the petition itself but the refusal to accept the petition and subsequent non conformity that ensues. That's would be an infomercial.

  Perhaps this petition could be posted at care2causes. This may attrack some liberal lending people hanging out there other than ex Jw's.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: the Holocaust didn't happen, there are no homosexuals in Iran (he thinks he killed them all?), and....

  by glenster in

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  iranian president mahmoud ahmadinejad has said he believes - as an.

  engineer - the world trade center towers could not have been brought.

  down by aircraft.. interviewed after his address to the un general assembly sparked a. walkout, he told the ap news agency some kind of planned explosion.

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  Only the Transgender clinics are fully booked.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Like_Others

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Iran plans to send ships close to US waters

  by Iamallcool in

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  http://news.yahoo.com/iran-plans-send-ships-close-us-waters-report-175624866.html .

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  Borgia

  Interesting.

  On the one hand it is to be expected.But often this is used for internal political maneuvering. No doubt it could also be used for a false flag operation.

  On the other, with the current choice in US presidential politics, it is of course of the essence to have an emeny close by if the warhawks, be thry blue or red, wish to have a chance at all at installing another puppet, fall guy, scapegoat. Diverting attention to international matters, read another military adventure, to stiffle the call for real change and solutions.

  Convenient for the Iranian government too. The more they can divert attention to international matters, read the great Satan, the more the voices of democracy are stiffled.

  A bit to convenient, wouldn't you say?

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  More apostate hating from the Watchtower

  by Igot2bme in

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  i ran across this post on fb-.

  the november 15, 2011 study version of the watchtower, has this to say in an article praising jehu's actions against the family of ahab.

  "the prophet elisha sent one of the sons of the prophets to anoint jehu as king and to instruct him to kill every male of the apostate house of ahab.2 ki.

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  The WT uses any OT example they can to force their agenda of NO APOSTACY and TOW the PARTY LINE! And we all know that the OT is immoral and does nothing to elevate our enlightened society. It sounds like the Kingdom Halls are becoming the equal of some of the mosques in The Netherlands which were denounced by one politician as palaces of hate. In this case: not halls of fame but halls of hate.

  On the side of the article is a column about Jehu's historicity. Funny though. Using the same source they say: see A Jehu is mentioned although he is portrayed as a son of Omri which flies in the face of the biblical account. BUT, again using the same source, they discount the fact that Jehu paid tribute to Assyria. Which would be logical given the brutal rep the assyrians had and would align with the Jehu story. He was simply brown nosing the Assyrian King by showing off in a slaughter. A sort of Return to Wolfenstein avant la lettre.

  The latter part of the Jehu article recounts the fact that although Jehu did some things ok, he left the Golden Calf in tact. It is mentioned he had his own reasons to not fully seek "Anschluß" with the Southern Kingdom. Although the bible writer had rather seen a different scenario, he went down in history of one of the good guys.This situation of Golden Calf = Jehovah worship + sacrifice on the highplaces = Jehovah worship can be seen throuhout the pre babylonian OT.

  So, lesson may be: you can be harsh on one point and lenient on another and yet be a good guy. As long as you are not in full rivalry with the WBTS and sing their praise, you get a break. You should be rounding up and extradite all who are not praising the WBTS. Note that Jehu used a litmus test. Perhaps, the WBTS will soon be directing elders on this matter, to use a litmus test. The mechanics are in place to start a new witchhunt.

  But in the historical context the GB/FDS gladly compares itself with Jehu and Jonadabs with the great crowd. It would give them an excuse to praise their Golden Calf WBTS although technically it would represent apostasy on their part. But he, Jehu was one of the good guys, right?

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  “Look! It’s our circuit overseer! Je- hovah has saved us!”

  by Slidin Fast in

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  you couldn't make it up.

  see today's wt .

  9 eldersonregionalbuildingcommittees and relief committees work hard to help the brothers.

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  Borgia

  They were converted cargo cult members .....

  Cheers

  Borgia