C.T. Russell: a confirmed Pittsburgh Free Mason

by kid-A 118 Replies latest jw friends

  • Cygnus
    Cygnus

    Oh my goodness, not this again. I can't stand it when people read anti-JW websites that selectively quote Chuck Russell's words out of context in an effort to tie him to Freemasonry. If you get a copy of "What Pastor Russell Said" (a question and answer dialogue over the years and very comprehensive) he admits to knowing little about Freemasonry. He is corrected on some points of Freemasonry and admits his ignorance.

    This webpage has a few of Russell's own words on the subject: http://www.pastor-russell.com/life/mason1.html

    Here is the website's own comments: http://www.pastor-russell.com/life/mason2.html

    I do not believe it was ever Russell's intention to have a Pyramid placed 6 metres from his gravesite, nor do I believe the Society was directly responsible for putting it there. Yeah he got carried away with the Pyramid of Gizeh, but he believed the Bible was behind such teachings. Yeah he used egyptolian symbols and others' but so did many 19th groups. Go to a 19th century Lutheran church and you'll probably find some Masonic imagery, and there's no controversy there.

    Russell was a weirdo, for sure, but he was no Freemason, and was likely one of more open and honest (yet deluded) religious men of his time.

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    I was a stone mason and I was always told that masons were the keepers of secrets. All to do with hidden joins in stone (it was a mystery to lay people so they were given special treatment) which came to symbolise hidden spiritual truths whch made them the elite in the middle ages...

    Anyhow I didn't realise there was a debate about Russell being a mason. I usd to have one of his books and it was explaining hidden meaning in Cheops pyrimid and the sacred eye symbol. I realise that is not direct freemasonry but hey, people reading this stuff in 1910 wouldn't have even thought twice about the obvoius connection (plus his grave symbols).

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas


    Whether or not the three pieces of "evidence" offered are "overwhelming" depends on how easily overwhelmed you are.

    Personally, I find the evidence under-whelming.

    Russel said he was a free mason to get the attention of his audience, the same way that, for example, a prominent apostate might speak to a crowd of Dubs by starting with, "I stand before you today as one of Jehovah's Witnesses..." The audience will get into a "WTF?" frame of mind and listen to what he has to say.

    Russell became convinced that the pyramid was the FIRST bible, "God's Bible in Stone." Is that a Masonic teaching? Today Russell would be all over Star-trek conventions and seeing flying saucers. He copied whatever theology appealed to him from wherever he found it, and produced a coat of many colors. The pyramid was intentionally placed in the CENTER of the IBSA burial plot, and Russell is planted not far from it. The same symbol can have two meanings. The notorious swastika was taken from buddhism, where it did NOT imply National Socialism. To the IBSA, the pyramid was a religious relic, and the one at the center of their burial plot was supposed to be a "time capsule" for people in paradise to appreciate.

    Russell died on Halloween, 1916. When was that Masonic temple built? Answer: long after Russell's death. Unless Russell had control of chronotron technology, he can't be held culpable for post-mortem construction projects.

    Leolaia sums it all up - where's the real hard documented evidence? There ain't none.

    Russell pulled off one of his stockings and magically activated a Jehovah sock puppet the same way that Fran magically activated Kukla and Ollie. I'll bet they still have that stocking somewhere in the Bethel archives.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Leo,

    That's really interesting. Perhaps he got to a certain degree, and realized it was 'not for him'. hmmm. The Egyptology connection is fascinating, and I wonder why Russell incorporated in into his religion, even though it was a cultural 'fad' at the time. I am going to ask my SDA-raised friend if they have any remnants of it in their current church.

    t

  • Terry
    Terry



    We live in 2005. (Most of us, anyway).



    There is an "ethos" of interest in the occult everywhere just as there always has been. People are superstitious in equal measure to their ignorance of how the world really works.



    Over 100 years ago the level of human ignorance and the superstitious preoccupations of fantasy were rampant. Families conditioned each other toward this mindset by substituting urban legends for fact.



    For a thousand years previously humanity suffered a virus unlike any other that has ever plagued a living species. That virus, extraordinarily contagious, was a contagion of memes in the form of religious naivete.



    If you think we today are susceptible to outright belief in UFO's, bigfoot, conspiracy theories, ESP, astrology and out-of-body experiences, remote viewing, Elvis sightings and spoon bending--you'd be stunned at how ordinary all that would be a hundred years ago.



    There was so little skepticism it would amaze you.



    People craved fanciful tales that titillated their sense of wonder, mystery and awe.



    Charles Taze Russell was a spellbinder and a bedazzler. He found a hook that worked on himself first, and, by extension--his followers. He dabbled like many young rich men dabble. His passion was end times speculations. He could afford to collect them like a small child might collect stamps or Star Wars action figures.



    Russell collected enough disperate End Times "proofs" that he could weave into a new story and peddle to others just as naive and disengenuous as himself.



    Yes, he convinced himself he was really on to SOMETHING BIG.



    He was the salesman who sold himself to himself.



    You might say that Russell's motto was: "THIS STUFF JUST HAS TO BE TRUE!"



    Why? Because it all "fit" so well into a scenario. If you read those early writings closely you see that it pops up over and over and over again; the naive sense of wonder that so many things fit together to tell the same story predicting the END.



    What Russell failed to notice was that he was pleasing himself in the first place. He only chose what seemed convincing to include in his bag of tricks. Then, stepping back from the collection he was wowed by how it all was so instructive and predictive! Circular reasoning 101 in a nutshell. Russell was the nut and his religion was the shell.



    The proliferation of Masonic influence is just the profusion of SYMBOLOGY which infected everybody's thinking back then. It was "magic thinking" par excellence. You see, anything.....anything at all that smacked of mystical connotations would be targeted for decorative distribution around whatever belief system happened to be in place. Why? To create the artificial sense of wonder that all such mystical props provide.



    Think of the stained glass and organ music of a magnificent cathedral and recognize what drama this is designed to evoke; what sense of majesty and transcendance it is constructed to engender to push reality aside in favor of awesome supernatural wonderment.



    So too with all magic words, symbols, parables, prayers of invocation and ritualistic practices. It takes you out of the here and now and the every day mundane ordinary world and transports you to fantasyland where things are much more exciting and the stakes are higher.



    Masonry is a game for little boys who have grown up and find life to ordinary.



    Russell was a little rich kid spoiled by his own religious imagination who could afford to build a Disneyland for adults to lose themselves in while pretending the world was about to end and their frolics were serious fun which would bring about heavenly rewards.



    Somewhere along the way, Russell became the Walt Disney of End Times speculations. He kept reworking the symbols, the dates and the arguments to make it all stay exciting fun. But, reality intrudes. It always does. The claims are too large to be realized. He had to settle for what he got: WWI. The entire religion was rescued by the advent of WWI.



    And we fell for it too.



    SUCKERS!



    T.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Masonry is a game for little boys who have grown up and find life to ordinary.

    Another 'fact', huh?

    Ignorance is bliss.

  • chrissy
    chrissy

    kid, i wasnt even aware the old dude was put to rest in Pittsburgh. And that is my old hometown. Its funny how the witnesses will not delve into his past life or talk specifics. You would think that the jw community would visit his gravesite and keep it tidy and flower covered or whatever? But I am quite certain that I would have known if anyone gave a hoot. Im thinking it has something to do with the pyramid and eye adornment. Shame, maybe?

    Where in pgh? Next time I go home I wanna check this out. I will pay my respects by spitting on his grave.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    What's wrong with being a Free Mason? Why don't you check them out before you condemn them? Occult. Bah Humbug. You don't know the true meaning of occult.

  • Terry
    Terry
    Masonry is a game for little boys who have grown up and find life to ordinary.

    Another 'fact', huh?

    Ignorance is bliss.

    Set me straight, then, please.

    Terry

  • Terry
    Terry



    http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/masons/mrituals.html


    Would you say that is pretty accurate? I wonder why it seems like little boys making things up at playtime to amuse themselves?

    T

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