What Happens If the JW Beard Policy Stumbles a Person

by Cold Steel 37 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Some of the videos on YouTube really make the beard policy look ridiculous. I wondered what would happen if the JW Beard Policy caused someone to stumble? Jesus most likely wore a beard, and Charles Taze Russell had a beard. If prohibiting them caused a person to stumble, then that could cause the people that prohibited them to be like the ones in Jesus' admonition that caused spiritual harm to the "little ones" -- it would be better for them if a mill stone was placed around their necks and they were drowned in the depths of the sea. (And just because they kept someone from having a beard.)

    If I were a JW, if most likely wear a beard to show support for Charles T. Russell and my disdain for Joseph Rutherford (who always kind of reminded me of L. Ron Hubbard).

    Is it true that Rutherford was more widely regarded than Russell? I could always see Rutherford wearing a skipper's outfit and seeing himself up as an authority to look up to, and though Russell was also revered by his followers at the time, I think Rutherford had more of a corporate following, like Hubbard.

  • freddo
    freddo

    Just gotta suckitupbuttercup.

    Psalm 119 v 165 is occasionally twisted and applied.

    The riposte is Leviticus 19 v 27.

    And round it goes ...

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    Yes, the amazing thing is that the verse in Leviticus that condemns Tattoos (and the society uses as a rule / principle today) is one verse away from one that says "And you MUST NOT cut off your beard"

    So, the GB apply one verse, but actively go against the other!!??

    WTH?

  • Drearyweather
    Drearyweather

    Coldsteel,

    Youtube videos do make the beard policy look ridiculous. In fact, Youtube videos can make anything and everything under the sun look ridiculous.

    Technically, there is no such thing as beard policy. There is no written policy or rule with the JW’s that you will be disfellowshipped for wearing the beard. Yes, you are discouraged to wear one, you may lose your privileges, etc, but won’t be disfellowshipped.

    Why do religions have such policies? To understand this, first you need to remember that all religions in this world are technically like corporate organizations with written and unwritten rules of conduct. You will have such policies in all religions. Some disallow beards, some force circumcision, some want special garments to be worn, some encourage flagellation, etc. Each religion follows rules from their holy books and frames new ones which they feel needs to be adhered to either gain new followers or to create an environment of decency for existing followers.

    In south India, there is a temple which doesn’t allow menstruating females to come in, and there is a religious festival where men are asked to wear full black clothes and not go near women during this 41 day period.

    Does religion have a monopoly over making policies? No. In many corporate organizations, there is a formal dress policy where employees who are into client facing jobs are not allowed to wear casuals during client interactions. In my organization, casual clothing is not allowed during the weekdays. People may like wearing long hair or pony tails, but many multinational companies disallow that. Even though they may not kick you out, but they won’t allow such people to represent the company in client meetings. So if you work in an organization, you either follow those rules or you get out. There are countries who allow beards in the military while some who don’t. Policies are everywhere.

    You have rules on this forum too, which have been excellently set up to avoid un-civil people to ruin discussions. People may feel that they have a right to be annoying. People may feel that discussing pornography and sexual activities are not taboo. But you are not allowed to do that on this forum, and we are thankful for that. If you don’t agree, don’t join or be ready to be banned.

    What about stumbling? A person can pretty much stumble over any point of personal preference. Jesus did wear a beard, but also wore seamless fringed robes and jewish sandals. Russell too kept a beard, but without a mustache and wore glasses much lower on his nose bridge and also chose to have a celibate marriage. These were personal preferences. There nothing that indicates that Russell was imitating Jesus in keeping his beard, because if he was, he would have also kept a mustache. Hence there is no point in wearing a beard by using an argument that Jesus and Russell had one.

    Like corporate organizations, religious organizations have complete authority to make rules and change them. Since belonging to a religion is a voluntary choice, a person either lives with those rules or he gets out of it. Post which, he either moves on in life or keeps cribbing about his ex-religion’s policies.

  • Onager
    Onager

    @Drearyweather

    Corporations with dress codes don't claim that everything they do is based on the bible though. JW's do.

    You also say that there is no such thing as a beard policy but that religious organisations have complete authority to make rules(policy). Cake and eat it much?

    The fact is that having a beard causes issues for a JW without there being any official policy or any scriptural backing. It's a cultural "law" within the JW community passed down by Rutherford, if I remember correctly. It goes against their stated aim of basing everything on scripture and it's a clear example of the man-made origins of the cult.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Drearyweather

    Youtube videos do make the beard policy look ridiculous. In fact, Youtube videos can make anything and everything under the sun look ridiculous.


    Youtube videos "make the beard policy look ridiculous", because it is ridiculous. http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/beards-jehovahs-witnesses.php shows exactly what the policy is. It is irrelevant that you cannot be disfellowshipped, this is a ridiculous and contradictory policy that shows just what a petty and Pharisaical religion Watchtower really is.

    all religions in this world are technically like corporate organizations

    You got that correct. Watchtower is nothing but a corporate organization.

  • Drearyweather
    Drearyweather
    Corporations with dress codes don't claim that everything they do is based on the bible though. JW's do.

    Yes, corporations don't claim that everything they do is based on the Bible. But, Corporate organizations do base their activities on the country's legal company Acts, Rules, Statutes and Bills. And these are more brutal in their punishments than what are mentioned in the religious books.

    Since companies don't have direct laws governing dress codes, each industry or employer has the right to impose their rules about dress codes. You may even find different dress code policies in one organization. For some, these are contradictions, but for the employer, it is a business need.

    Similarly, when religious books are silent on certain matters, each religious group has the leeway to form their own rules on them. In fact, each congregation will have a separate unwritten law on this matter depending on their local culture.

    What I found contradictory is the following scenario which happened with my friend. When he started growing a pony tail and a beard, he went on a full blown tirade against some members of the congregation and his parents who asked him to cut his beard and pony tail. He stopped going to meetings to make the point that no one has the right to oppose his personal preferences. Three months later, when he changed his job, his new employer asked him to remove his pony tail and beard and cover his tattoo before going for an important client conference. He was upset but accepted his employers demand without uttering a word and sheepishly went back to his clean shaven look, since he couldn't afford to lose the job. He became the laughing stock for many of his JW friends.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    The above experience shows that secular organizations have a dress code too. My old employer did.

    The W TS no longer has a central policy on beards . Around here they are accepted, no problem. Other countries may differ.

    W.t. 2016 Sept

    " However, Christians are not under the Mosaic Law or required to follow it. (Leviticus 19:27; 21:5; Galatians 3:24, 25) In some cultures, a neatly trimmed beard may be acceptable and respectable, and it may not at all prevent people from listening to our message. In fact, some appointed brothers have beards. Even so, some brothers might decide not to wear a beard. (1 Corinthians 8:9, 13; 10:32) In other cultures or locations, beards are not the custom and are not considered acceptable for Christian ministers. In fact, having one may prevent a brother from bringing glory to God and from being “irreprehensible.”—1 Timothy 3:2, 7; Romans 15:1-3.

    18, 19. How does Micah 6:8 help us?

    18 How grateful we are that Jehovah does not give us long lists of what is acceptable dress and grooming and what is not. Instead, he has given us the freedom to make reasonable personal decisions based on Bible principles. So even when we make decisions about our dress and grooming, we can show that we want to be modest as we serve our God.—"

  • Onager
    Onager

    Drearyweather: "Similarly, when religious books are silent on certain matters, each religious group has the leeway to form their own rules on them. In fact, each congregation will have a separate unwritten law on this matter depending on their local culture."

    Leaving aside the question of why (Christian) religions would form extra rules when their leader clearly hated that kind of behaviour, as mentioned by someone else earlier the religious book does clearly state that men should grow beards. So an organisation which chooses, as is their right as you point out, to create a rule which has it's basis in nothing more than a mans opinion is not only ridiculous, it is unchristian.

    And as for your example of the guy that had a ponytail, a beard, tattoo's and stopped going to meetings... but still had JW friends? Baloney! I can give you an example though. I work for a national company that has no head office dress code. I have a beard and, until my wife cut it off Delilah-style, a ponytail.

    All that your example shows is that a company with good reason may have similar rules to a religious organisation with NO good reason. My example shows that companies without any good reason to ban beards... don't.

    In case you're interested my wife cut off my ponytail because I was whinging about it being uncomfortable in this heat. She got the kitchen scissors and just snipped it off while I was watching Pointless!

  • Onager
    Onager

    @Bluesbrother: I agree, things have changed. All my (male) JW relatives have beards and most of them are in good standing in the Congo as far as I know. This is a fairly recent change though, certainly when I was still in, beards were anathema.

    The articles that you quoted don't actually help a guy who wants a beard but has elders that frown on them though. They're lots of words that add up to nothing.

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