Jesus is Michael the Archangel (page 9)

jhine

Disillusioned JW , yes you are correct about Jesus being the ONLY begotten son . So even more proof that He is not an angel.

Jan

Fisherman

it suits the dignity of the scene better to imagine the loud sound to come rather from one of the heralds of the great army.

Insight reference previously posted refutes this.

Fisherman

only begotten SON.

“The first BORN of all creation.”

“All things were created through him.” ( not by him)

Obviously, in Jesus’s prehuman existence, he was the first substance God directly created ( only begotten) and all things were created through Jesus . This harmonizes with the rest if the Bible.

Ding

"Firstborn" means preeminent, as shown by the context of the very next verse.

There's a separate Greek word which means "first created."

Paul didn't use that word.

Fisherman

with an archangel’s voice.

TD’s Greek is valid seems to me. But the context and the rest of the Bible suggests possession here. You need to factor in all the other scriptures.

Fisherman

he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

That is an inferior position, lesser than the Majesty. That is why he is referred to as an image, a representation OF and not the majesty itself.

" In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him ALL things were made, without him nothing was made that has been made . In him was life and that life was the light of mankind. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it . "

THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE

WITHOUT HIM NOTHING WAS MADE THAT HAS BEEN MADE.

The JW bible alters that by adding the word " other " . If they have to alter Scripture to make it fit their teachings then guess who's wrong.

Genesis tells us

" And God said "

God spoke and what He spoke came into being . His Word created the world. Then His Word became flesh.

Jan

GodBeliever

Origin: The name Michael is of Hebrew origin and means “who is like God?” or “gift from God.

"And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, to the extent that He has inherited a more excellent name than they. But regarding the Son He says, “Your throne, God, is forever and ever, And the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of His kingdom. “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your companions.”

Hebrews 1:3‭-‬4‭, ‬8‭-‬9 NASB2020

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 NASB2020

For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:23 NASB2020

TD

Fisherman,

But the context and the rest of the Bible suggests possession here. You need to factor in all the other scriptures.

It is what it is.

The three dative "en" phrase describe events that accompany the Lord's coming.

The trumpet call (Dative) is "of God" (Genitive) in the same what that the voice (Dative) is "of an archangel" (Genitive)

The verse does not identify Jesus as that archangel anymore than it identifies Jesus as God.

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

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