Is Blood Thicker Dan Water

by non_trias_theos 88 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    Some people in this place think that jws break up families. They say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families. What do you think about this charge?

    Non thinks that according to the Bible--blood is not thicker than water. Jws value God's family arrangement and do not want to harm family rwlationships. But one's primary loyalty must be to God first and family second. Non sees this principle clearly demonstrated in the example of Korah.

    Korah was put to death by Jehovah for his rebellion against Moses and Aaron. His sons, however, remained loyal to God and were not executed. Did elohim relish the breakup of Korah's family when he put that wicked man to death?

    I think you know the answer to that question.

    l'kiddush hashem

  • Francois
    Francois

    "Jehovah" is the primitive, tribal god of a primitive, tribal people. He is no more the majestic, existential creator of the Universe of Universes and all we call real than I am the Virgin Mary.

    And each spiritual leader who came to upstep the concept of God has been murdered by the people. The list is long and sad. Thus, many continue to worship a concept of God that is five thousand years old; a primitive, savage, interventionistic, human-like god with every human failure writ large.

    "The God you can name is not the eternal God."

    Francois

  • ARoarer
    ARoarer

    The argument that Jehovah's Witnesses use about the example of Korah is really getting old. This is part of the Watchtower thought control. If you do your research and use other Bibles other than the NWT, you will see that the example of Korah in the book of Jude and in the context that it was written was about speaking out against the angels, not human leaders who the Watchtower likes to elevate as the "glorious ones". As far as Jehovah's Witnesses dividing families, yes that is true.Our religious community should prove to be a source of spiritual refreshment for families, not a punishing, jungemental, lawyer run, hypocritical force to be dealt with. Our youth are precious to us and a religious community must always be there for them in there typical rebellous years that all teens go through. A religion that ousts it's youth, and expects parents to do the same is not a Christian community, it is a destructive cult. As far as the Bible example of Korah rebelling, he was punished by God for protrating himself to a golden image of an animal, rather that keeping to his worship to Jehovah. I hardly think when Jehovah dealt with Korah, he had in mind families being divided and punished for speaking out about criminal behavior tolerated by the religious leaders of our day. In all of Biblical history, Jehovah never hid the lawelssness of the leaders. Their sexual sins, and the tolerating of sexual sins against children was never condoned by Jehovah. In fact he used his prophets to expose the lawlessness of the leaders tolerating it and covering it. These leaders tried to kill them for speaking out. They were not being like Korah when reporting about gross wrongdoing. You have gone along and consented to the Watchtower hiding and covering up sexual perverision against children, and expelling of family members who speak out against it. You have become like what Jesus warned about when he said those loving their father or mother......... more than me are not worthy of me. Obviously the Watchtower leaders and family members who cover up sexaul sins against children and women for the sake of keeping the secret in families, and in the religious community have gone against Christ's teaching by loving family members more that Christian law regarding not tolerating sexual sins and those who speak out. You deliberately try to confuse the members with the Korah argument and telling victims who speak out that they are worthy of death like Korah. It is you and those in Watchtower who have prostrated YOURSELVES to worship the GOLDEN DOLLAR ANIMALISTIC relplacement for God, WATCHTOWER. You bow down to the Golden Cow, an Oranization that is made of dollars and gold, and real estate holdings, and investments and you call it Jehovah. It is you who will recieve the judgement of Korah because you have spoken abusively of the angels, Christ, and God himself. Yes, when it comes to a child, your damned right blood is thicker than water. I will stand by my child any day when it comes to the sexual perpetration of her molester and the religion he hides behind.

  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    Non does not know where to begin. There are too many errors in this message.

    $$$The argument that Jehovah's Witnesses use about the example of Korah is really getting old. This is part of the Watchtower thought control. If you do your research and use other Bibles other than the NWT, you will see that the example of Korah in the book of Jude and in the context that it was written was about speaking out against the angels, not human leaders who the Watchtower likes to elevate as the "glorious ones".$$$

    Jude has nothing to do with the point that non was making. If you read Numbers, you will find that Korah spoke abusively of Moses and Aaron. What Bible you reading? The Bill Bowen version?

    $$$As far as Jehovah's Witnesses dividing families, yes that is true. Are religious community should prove to be a source of spiritual refreshment for families, not a punishing, jungemental, lawyer run, hypocritical force to be dealt with. Our youth are precious to us and a religious community must always be there for them in there typical rebellous years that all teens go through.$$$

    Witnesses are there for rebellious youth. We try to help children avoid bad association and harmful influences. Or did you forget that?

    $$$A religion that ousts it's youth, and expects parents to do the same is not a Christian community, it is a destructive cult.$$$

    The only youths "ousted" from jws are those baptized youths who practice sin with no repentance. And even when they ousted, they can come back after they stop wallowing in the mud.

    $$$As far as the Bible example of Korah rebelling, he was punished by God for protrating himself to a golden image of an animal, rather that keeping to his worship to Jehovah.$$$

    Is this account found in the Bowen version too?

    $$$I hardly think when Jehovah dealt with Korah, he had in mind families being divided and punished for speaking out about criminal behavior tolerated by the religious leaders of our day.$$$

    Who is being punished today for that reason?

    $$$In all of Biblical history, Jehovah never hid the lawelssness of the leaders. Their sexual sins, and the tolerating of sexual sins against children was never condoned by Jehovah.$$$

    Indeedy.

    $$$In fact he used his prophets to expose the lawlessness of the leaders tolerating it and covering it. These leaders tried to kill the them for speaking out. They were not being like Korah when reporting about gross wrongdoing.$$$

    You missed the whole point of non's post. What a shame.

    $$$You have gone along and consented to the Watchtower hiding and covering up sexual perverision against children, and expelling of family members who speak out against it.$$$

    How you know what I done? You speaking falsely of an inglorious one, dearie.

    $$$You have become like what Jesus warned about when he said those loving their father or mother......... more than me are not worthy of me. Obviously the Watchtower leaders and family members who cover up sexaul sins against children and women for the sake of keeping the secret in families, and in the religious community have gone against Christs teaching by loving family members more that Christian law regarding not tolerating sexual sins and those who speak out.$$$

    What about those of us who do not cover up sexual sins to keep secrets in families? And non is not convinced that there has been a widespread movement to cover up child abuse in the wt. Dr Stark seems to think that jws are pretty good at handling abuse in the org.

    $$$You deliberately try to confuse the members with the Korah argument and telling victims who speak out that they are worthy of death like Korah. It is you and those in Watchtower who have protrated YOURSELVES to worship the GOLDEM DOLLAR ANIMALISTIC relplacement for God, WATCHTOWER.$$$

    You need to get off your Bowen diet and read more of the Bible. Get back to reality, yo.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Amen to that ARoarer-very well put...

  • Will Power
    Will Power
    Jws value God's family arrangement and do not want to harm family rwlationships. But one's primary loyalty must be to God first and family second.

    It is clear from this statement where your loyalties lay.
    ARoarer is dead on. Loud & clear.
    Tit 1:11...who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.
    Just as they worship blood as a symbol of life more than life itself,
    they worship the organization symbol more than the god it supposedly represents.

  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    mouthy

    Most you people are brainwashed up in here. Anything that is said negatively about jw, you agree with. How grief-inducing.

  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    $$$It is clear from this statement where your loyalties lay.$$$

    Can a loyalty "lay"? Is not lay a transitive verb? Should you not say "lie" instead which is intransitive?

    $$$ARoarer is dead on. Loud & clear.$$$

    Another person who is brainwashed by hogwash and swill.

    $$$Tit 1:11...who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.$$$

    You need to read the context, dude. Those breaking up families were apostates.

    $$$Just as they worship blood as a symbol of life more than life itself,
    they worship the organization symbol more than the god it supposedly represents.$$$

    Non worships God and him alone. You got a problem with that?

  • Will Power
    Will Power
    Those breaking up families were apostates.

    the context is the qualifications of elders. The examples were un christian behavior, lying, slander, keeping up jewish myths and commandments of men....16..They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

    Non worships God and him alone.
    How do you know God is a he?
    Our family of over 20 years has been severely disrupted because of the Watchtower Society - not because of God, and I pray everyday it is not permanent. I am NOT a JW.
  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Non,

    Hebrews 12:6-11. Now go to your room and wait 'til your Daddy gets home.

    You and your organization are full of pride but Jehovah is about to put the smack down on you. Humble yourselves and wait on the will of Jehovah.

    But few will hear the secrets hidden within the notes.--Rumi

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