Posters do you know of any cases where a devout JW was DF'd for Lesbianism? (page 5)

88JM

The judicial commitee meetings in these cases must be even more bizzare than usual. I know with male-female "fornication" they interrogate and pry into every detail to determine whether they think "porneia" was committed (and even then it's still mostly arbitrary), but with female-female... how do they... umm... draw the line? When does a Victoria's Secret party become "porneia" to them?

"Hey some Gay guys got promoted to the governing body."

I could be wrong, but I think Balaamsass2 is perhaps referring to Ewart Chitty and Leo Greenlees - one an alleged child abuser, and one reportedly homosexual or at least bisexual. And it's been said before, but I do agree it's important to draw a distinction between the two cases, but I don't want to start an argument about sexual orientation and child abuse - that's for another thread, and perhaps even another forum, considering rule #2 on this particular forum.

Ugottabefresh

I found this via a simple google search. interesting indeed:

http://www.freeminds.org/bethel/homosexuality_bethel.htm

konceptual99

Some young sisters in the Worthing, West Sussex area got df'ed for it a few years back.

Balaamsass2

Perhaps the ones I knew only got private reproof because the sisters were unwilling to have two elders come and be witnesses?

Balaamsass2

As far as Homosexuality vs Pedophilia. The term "Chicken Hawk " and that particular prediliction has been well documented since Creek and Roman times. Google it. You tube has a clip from a Doc. movie in the 90s about it. Google NAMBLA.

The Bethel connection to WTBTS corporate officers, Branch Commitees, and the Governing Body has a number of threads on this site. The unusual views of sex seem common among the ones promoted to "Faithful slave" status. Makes me wonder. Use the Search box above for "Chitty", "Greenlees", "Chapman" "Knorr" "Fred Franz" "Jaracz", "Rutherford", and "Russel".

88JM

Okay, if we are going to go there...

I don't doubt that many child abusers have homosexual or bisexual orientations. At the same time, I'm sure other child abusers are entirely heterosexual too.

I also don't deny that the orientations of child abusers may even be far more often homosexual or bisexual than the general population distribution. I think there are valid arguments that their environment, upbringing and attitudes of society around them and towards the feelings they held could partly be to blame for their choices later in life to abuse children, or have a view that there is nothing wrong with sexual activity with minors. There are studies that support the idea that many child abusers were abused themselves when they were younger - again, I'm not saying we should start suspecting the parents of all child abusers, but it could be a contributing factor in some cases.

Along with many people though, I'm just uncomfortable with the implication that putting ALL homosexual and bisexual people always in the same basket as child abusers gives - that it implies ALL homosexual people are just potential child abusers who haven't had the opportunity yet, and also that all homosexual or bisexual people have an "unusual view of sex". Child abusers may happen to be homosexual, but it wasn't their homosexuality by itself that caused them to abuse children.

RubaDub

I don't have the Flock book handy but I recall that in cases of homosexuality, women are treated differently than men. Women tend to simply be privately reproved or counciled instead of DF'd.

This is especially the case in a Judicial Committee where the women go into great detail about what they did, what each one did to the other, what toys were involved, gels, creams, lotions, etc. Bringing detailed pictures of the activity is considered a true sign of repentance.

Rub a Dub

Joe Grundy

88JM:

"I don't doubt that many child abusers have homosexual or bisexual orientations. At the same time, I'm sure other child abusers are entirely heterosexual too."

(I never was a dub).

There are many comprehensive studies on this subject, well worth reading. This reply is based purely on personal experience.

I was a police officer for 30 years, mostly as a detective supervisory/senior officer. I dealt with many cases of child abuse, some pretty horrific. More than I wish to remember, and many which I can't forget however hard I try.

IME, some abusers had been abused themselves. I experienced famlies where abuse had been the norm. I also dealt with abusers who were (to put it simply) just evil.

IME, sex was only part of it: sometimes it was just about power and dominance. When it was about sex it seemed to me that the abusers (generally but not exclusively male) wanted to have as much sex as possible (children/youngsters were easier) and some would have used a hole in a fence if that was all that was available.

IME, almost all abusers were heterosexual. Many were evil creeps - others were, on the surface, enirely indistinguishable from more 'normal' members of society.

James Brown

Wouldn't a devout Jw df'd for lesbianism be an oxymoron?

Like dark light,

controled caos,

serious joke,

dry drunk,

quiet riot,

irregular pattern?

Posters do you know of any cases where a devout JW was DF'd for Lesbianism?

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