You guys never get tired of this, do you?
Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
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OnTheWayOut
Zeitgeist was mainly interested in getting people to focus on conspiracy within government and business to control everything. The part about Jesus was poorly researched, but wasn't without merit. It got people to think along completely different lines about what is really going on with religion and belief. It pointed to our own "Matrix" society when it comes to Christianity being accepted and how we actually can question it.
I could find many poorly written or produced articles/videos that support Christianity to counter Zeitgeist. But why bother?
TEC, try to let go just a little bit and consider the idea that much of those scriptures that you so easily dismiss could have come as a result of the things suggested in this conspiracy theory of CEASAR'S MESSIAH. Or go ask Jesus what he thinks of that idea.
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tec
I could find plenty of poorly written articles that support chritianity also... but I think you know by now that I do NOT support the religion. Not in the least. Christ is calling his people OUT of her; all of her. We already know that christanity the religion absorbed things from surrounding cultures, but that is not the worse... the worse is that it also became something that was against Christ altogether.
Because nothing that taught people to kill, torture, burn at the stake, go on holy wars in the name of Christ, shun, hate or kill Jews (and anyone else), lie about hell, show no mercy, to judge, put people out of 'synagogues', etc, etc... is against Christ.
Not for Him. Not from Him. Against Him.
False scribes, wolves, false christs, etc... all of those things explain the falsehoods that came into the religion which drew people to itself and away from Christ. Don't need a big conspiracy theory to understand that. It happens every day, here and now, as the many denominations can attest to.
Peace,
tammy
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Stand for Pure Worship
You gotta love it. A psuedo-scholar claims Jesus Christ was a fabricated character and all the atheists think they've hit the lottery. Just lookin for any excuse to tickle their own ears.
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sir82
George!
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paranoia agent
A lot of hypothesis going around about Christ, what we do know is this - there are historical documents that confirms that a well know Jewish man by the name of Jesus existed - what we don't have are any external sources at the time that confirms his super powers.
Bart Ehrman wrote about this subject in his book Did Jesus Exist?
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adamah
Stand for Pure Worship said-
You gotta love it. A psuedo-scholar claims Jesus Christ was a fabricated character and all the atheists think they've hit the lottery. Just lookin for any excuse to tickle their own ears.
Not even close, Dude. The rational approach is to not believe in things until you're presented with supportive evidence that the thing (be it a unicorn, Santa, demons, God, etc) actually exists. It's called skepticism, and to do anything else places one's beliefs BEFORE having any actual evidence on which to base them, which is placing the proverbial horse IN FRONT of the cart:
That same approach should be used when evaluating ANY new claims, esp those which you MOST WANT to be true, whether you're an atheist or theist.
In this case, I'm highly skeptical that this guy (Joe Atwill) is actually presenting any new evidence today, but seems merely to be trying to sell a few books/promote in the UK (apparently operating in a new market for him, since he's written a book that was released in the US). That's something any ex-JW should be aware of, since WTBTS obviously promotes the same idea: distributing books for fun and profit (although the game is to recruit minions, since that's where the $$$ is at).
Atwill is not a theologian or Bible scholar, but that hasn't kept him from selling books on the topic. Still, there's no rush to dismiss the claims before hearing him out, since you don't HAVE to be a Bible scholar to contribute to the field (he's got a few recognized secholars on his side, but the prudent thing is to see what other experts in the field have to say, since it's kind of like the recent Global Climate Change issue: it's the consensus of experts in the field that ultimately matters).
Adam
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paranoia agent
Stand for Pure Worship wrote You gotta love it. A psuedo-scholar claims Jesus Christ was a fabricated character and all the atheists think they've hit the lottery. Just lookin for any excuse to tickle their own ears.
We don't need pseudo-scholars to believe that there is little evidence to support the claim that a man with super powers existed.
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cofty
I haven't watched the video yet but a quick question. If Rome invented Jesus and Christianity why did Rome, and Nero in particular, persecute them?
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adamah
Cofty said-
I haven't watched the video yet but a quick question. If Rome invented Jesus and Christianity why did Rome, and Nero in particular, persecute them?
Yeah, that's only ONE problem with the Flavian hypothesis.
The Gospels show an amazing level of contradiction, yet interdependency, which makes sense with multiple authors all writing from a common source (Markan priority is clearly seen, which a second source assumed, called the "Q" source).
Adam
