Quote or Misquote?.. Here are the full quotes from the June 1st 2015 Watchtower- How Science Affects Your Life

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  • defender of truth
    defender of truth

    http://avoidjw.org/2015/04/quote-or-misquote/

    Quote or Misquote?

    The Watchtower is notorious for misquoting scientists to promote their Creationist views. In their June 1st 2015 Watchtower magazine, they extensively quote the views of scientists. Some they name; some they do not. Below are a selection of those quotes or misquotes from the Watchtower article, How Science Affects Your Life, followed by the full quote as found in literature, news articles and/or internet sources.

    Unfortunately, many Jehovah’s Witnesses will read the quotes in their magazine without examining carefully if theses things are completely true. Compare Acts 17:10,11. However, you have the opportunity to find out if what the Watchtower says is truth or misleading statements.


    QUOTE FROM 1 JUNE 2015 WATCHTOWER:

    “a scientific argument against the existence of God.”

    Amir D Aczel

    FULL QUOTE:

    “The same year that Harris published Letter to a Christian Nation, Richard Dawkins, who for decades had been advocating atheism in public lectures and articles, released a book that received even wider circulation and global acclaim, titled The God Delusion (2006). In this work, Dawkins uses his prominence in the field of biology to launch a scientific argument against the existence of God. But in addition to using ideas from science—mainly evolutionary biology, but also a smattering of notions plucked from physics and cosmology—Dawkins embarks on a personal crusade against Scripture, especially the Old Testament.”

    Amir D Aczel, Why Science Does Not Disprove God


    QUOTE FROM 1 JUNE 2015 WATCHTOWER:

    “the absence of evidence for any God who plays an important role in the universe proves beyond a reasonable doubt that such a god does not exist.”

    A world famous physicist

    FULL QUOTE:

    “I believe I was the first to argue, in my 2007 book God—The Failed Hypothesis, that the absence of evidence for any God who plays an important role in the universe proves beyond a reasonable doubt that such a god does not exist.

    “It is inarguable that science has not yet found evidence for a god or the supernatural. If it had, it would be in the textbooks. Still, you will often hear: “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” Not always. When the evidence that is absent is evidence that should be there, then that can be taken as evidence of absence.

    “Consider the hypothesis that elephants roam Yellowstone Park. If that were the case, then a tourist or ranger should have been spotted one by now. Or, other evidence such as droppings and crushed bushes would certainly be found. Since none of this has occurred, we can conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that elephants do not roam Yellowstone Park.

    “Incidentally, note that the often-heard statement that you cannot prove a negative is simply wrong, including the negative that there is no God.

    “And so it is with the hypothesis of the existence of the God worshipped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims and others among the major religions of the world. Religious apologists and even some atheistic scientists have contended that God is a “spirit” and so science can say nothing about him. However, this particular hypothesized God plays such an active part in the universe that evidence of his actions should be observable.

    “Earlier I discussed several examples of phenomena that should be seen if such a God exists. The fact that they are not is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this God does not exist. Note that this proof does not apply to all conceivable gods, such as the impersonal deist god who creates the universe but does not intervene any further. While such a god is not ruled out, we have no reason to pray to it or worship it, so it might as well not exist.

    “In addition, I have provided unique counter examples to the questions often raised by believers that claim to show the need for some kind of god.”

    Victor J Stenger, Emeritus Professor of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Hawaii and Adjunct Professor of Philosophy at the University of Colorado


    QUOTE FROM 1 JUNE 2015 WATCHTOWER:

    “We know that we will never get to the bottom of things”

    Steven Weinberg, physicist and Nobel laureate

    FULL QUOTE:

    The important thing is that we have not observed anything that seems to require supernatural explanation.

    “I can image how disturbed they will feel in the future, when at last scientists learn how to understand human behaviour in terms of the chemistry and physics of the brain and nothing is left that needs to be explained by our having an immaterial soul.

    We know that we will never get to the bottom of things, because whatever theory unites all observed particulars and forces, we will never know why it is that the theory describes the real world and not some other theory.

    “Worse, the worldview of science is rather chilling. Not only do we not find any point to life laid out for us in nature, no objective basis for our moral principles, no correspondence between what we think is the moral law and the laws of nature, of the sort imagined by philosophers from Anaximander and Plato to Emerson.”

    Steven Weinberg, quoted in James W Sire’s book Echoes of a Voice: We are not alone


    QUOTE FROM 1 JUNE 2015 WATCHTOWER:

    “There may be things that humans will never understand.”

    Professor Martin Rees, Astronomer Royal of Great Britain

    FULL QUOTE:

    “Here, we astronomers can offer a special perspective. Our biosphere, as everyone bar the creationists accepts, is the outcome of several billion years of Darwinian evolution. But astronomers are mindful that the future is potentially far longer than the past. Our Sun formed 4.5 billion years ago, but its fuel won’t run out for another six billion years. And the expanding universe will continue – perhaps for ever. Future evolution, here on Earth or far beyond, could be as prolonged as the Darwinian process that has led to us – and even more wonderful.

    “Whether the really long-range future lies with organic post-humans or with intelligent machines is a matter for debate. But we would be anthropocentric to believe that all of science is within humanity’s grasp, and that no enigmas will remain to challenge our descendents. There may be things that humans will never understandbut that doesn’t mean that they will never be understood.

    Lord Rees, Astronomer Royal


    QUOTE FROM 1 JUNE 2015 WATCHTOWER:

    “Our knowledge is vastly outstripped by our ignorance. For me, a life in science prompts awe and exploration over dogmatism”

    A popular science writer

    FULL QUOTE:

    “So while there are plenty of good books by scientist-atheists, they sometimes under-emphasise the main lesson from science: that our knowledge is vastly outstripped by our ignorance. For me, a life in science prompts awe and exploration over dogmatism.

    “Given these considerations, I do not call myself an atheist. I don’t feel that I have enough data to firmly rule out other interesting possibilities. On the other hand, I do not subscribe to any religion. Traditional religious stories can be beautiful and often crystallise hard-won wisdom – but it is hardly a challenge to poke holes in them. Religious structures are built by humans and brim with all manner of strange human claims – they often reflect cults of personality, xenophobia or mental illness. The holy books of these religions were written millennia ago by people who never had the opportunity to know about DNA, other galaxies, information theory, electricity, the big bang, the big crunch, or even other cultures, literatures or landscapes.”

    David Eagleman, Why I Am a ‘Possibilian’


    QUOTE FROM 1 JUNE 2015 WATCHTOWER:

    “After almost 4,000 years of astronomy, the universe is no less strange than it must have seemed to the Babylonians”

    Encyclopaedia Britannica

    FULL QUOTE:

    “The objects of all astronomical inquiry, from the time of the ancient Greeks and Babylonians to the 20th century, thus represent only the tip of the iceberg. After almost 4,000 years of astronomy, the universe is no less strange than it must have seemed to the Babylonians.

    James Evans, Director of Program for Science, Technology, and Society, University of Puget Sound, Tacoma, Washington, Encyclopaedia Britannica

  • nelim
    nelim

    I think the first two aren't misquotes? WT article says that some scientists think that if God existed, he would have been found. Which is what the quotes say.

    The third and fourth are misquotes indeed.

    The fifth about dogmatism I'm not quite sure why WT has cited it? Seems to me that it speaks against them, as WT believes that Jehovah created it all, so things are as they are because Jehovah created them that way. Which is dogmatic. Which is exactly what the 'quote' opposes; the author wants to keep an open mind. It seems that WT is quoting this to say that rejecting belief in God would be dogmatic, but this is utter silliness of course. Rejecting belief in elves and trolls is not dogmatic; that would be a redefinition of dogmatism :-)

    I think the sixth quote about the Babylonians is just a fallacy on its own. Although I guess that Mr. Evans didn't mean to say that the "no-less-strange" proves there is a possibility of still finding God as it were. I think he just means it as a general statement, there are still many mysteries, but I'm not sure.

    All in all, quote a useless article, just raising a bunch of questions without answering anything or enlightening the reader in any way.... but what did we expect? Haha. The articles on the next pages are increasingly worse... "Science cannot prevent crime"? Really? The only reason for not polluting the Earth is because God is going to punish you? Come on now, really?!

  • bats in the belfry
    bats in the belfry

    Thanks for your research.

    Only very few JWs would ever spend time doing what has been done here: Getting to the source (material) of the matter.

    Kudos.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    DOT, I think bats and nelim already nailed it.

    The one thing that is clear, is that the WT writers do not understand how to use quotes correctly, honestly or even with appropriate academic/journalistic attribution.

    The WT leadership cultivates a mythical image of "scholarship" among themselves and their writers, but the fact is they would fail any freshman high school assignment in any subject for abject plagiarism.

    That being said, I think it's a really good exercise to track down the source of the quotes, which is not made easy because the WT doesn't cite their sources properly--if they do it at all.

    Learning to think critically and to think for ourselves is one of the best gifts we can ever give ourselves!

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    Well done in finding the full quotes!

    One would think that the org learnt its lesson with the Ramah Singh misquote from a few months back!!!!

  • defender of truth
    defender of truth

    This is not my own work, I deserve no credit whatsoever. It was written by a S Rosenthal at avoidjw.org .

    While we're on the subject though, I just found this thread from way back.

    There's an excellent post with various misquotes and people speaking out about it afterwards.

    www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/54341/misquotes-misquoted-misquoting?page=1&size=20

  • sir82
    sir82

    The Stenger misquote is particularly egregious.

    These knuckleheads never learn.

    Well, I take that back - they have learned. They have learned that all-in believers will accept whatever the WTS puts in print, and will assume that the context support the quotation snippet. They have learned that they can count on JWs not doing any research whatsoever.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Once again, for the newbies, lurkers, and trolls...

    ...if you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.

  • galaxie
    galaxie
    These jw writers are being thoroughly and knowingly deceptive. They quite obviously seek out these scientific articles read them thoroughly and cherry pick to bolster their belief with the sole purpose of controlling the reader by misguidance. Imo it is dishonest bordering on criminal , otherwise they would endeavour to expand the further content of the article from which they are quoting. There are of course many precedents of this watchtower tactic.
  • Watchtower-Free
    Watchtower-Free

    Misquotes, Deception and Lies

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are told to have complete trust in the information the Governing Body provides them. Examples of numerous misquotes are included in this article, showing that such trust is not warranted


    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php

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