Can anyone point me in the right direction, a good descriptive list of gods anger, genocide, vengeance and general things that we would view as bad and the scriptures next to it to show where these things are in the bible?
Scriptural list of gods anger?
by iCeltic 12 Replies latest watchtower bible
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iCeltic
Bump.
just in case someone has one already done, if not I'll make one myself, its just for quick reference when talking to jw's. I know jw facts is outstanding, again it's just in case someone has a quick reference of a single page list.
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Cold Steel
Don't confuse the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the Old and New Testaments.
God did not indiscriminately murder any people, nor did he commit genocide or other atrocities. In the case of Moses, the people of Canaan were warned not to interfere with the Israelites as they moved through their lands. The Canaanites disregarded those warnings and attempted to undermine their religion and to destroy them as a people. Keep in mind, too, that these weren’t just “other” civilizations. They were degenerate, despicable cults that sacrificed their own children to heathen gods and engaged in profligate sexual practices that were interwoven with their religion. In the case of the prophet Balaam, who fell and was later put to death by Moses, he knew that if the daughters of the heathen seduced the young princes of Israel, that the Israelites would lose the protection of Yahweh.
There has never been a culture or people who were destroyed by the Lord who weren’t first warned by prophets. In the cases of repentance, many were spared. But when they became so wicked that succeeding generations had zero chance of attaining righteousness, they were usually destroyed. But keep in mind that God did not annihilate such people. As one theologian put it, they were moved en mass to a penalty box. They did not go to a burning hell, but a “prison” (see 1 Peter 3:18-20), with the wicked who came before, to await the visitation of Jesus.
The Jehovah's Witnesses believe the myth of Armageddon, where one day the skies will get dark and then all hell will break loose. While they watch, millions will be massacred by Yahweh (everyone but them). While it’s true that many of the most wicked will perish with the Second Coming of Christ—again, they’ve been warned—many billions of people will be spared. The first part of the Millennium, in fact, will be spent with a great deal of missionary work being done. And if a person doesn’t believe in God, but is a good, decent, honorable person, they will be spared. Even one-sixth of the vast army of the Beast will be spared, according to scripture. (Ezekiel 39:2) And, by the way, Armageddon will be fought in the Middle East, and the Jehovah's Witnesses will have nothing to do with it.
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Qcmbr
Flood
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prologos
Sodom & Gomorrah+ pillar of salt.
Egypt's firstborn, favoured: babies.
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MadGiant
Killing Event
Reference
Bible's Number
Estimate
1
20,000,000
2
1,000
3
2,000
4
1
1
5
2
1,000
6
1
1
7
1
1
8
70,000
9
10,000
10
300,000
11
500,000
12
600
5,000
13
1,000
14
Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing friends and family to kill each other
3,000
3,000
15
1,000
16
2
2
17
1
1
18
100
19
While the flesh was still between their teeth, the Lord smote them will a very great plague
10,000
20
10
110
21
A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day is stoned to death
1
1
22
3
9
23
250
250
24
14,700
14,700
25
3,000
26
God sent serpents to bite people for complaining about the lack of food and water
100
27
24,002
24,002
28
6
200,000
29
500,000
30
5,000
31
God hardens King Sihon's heart so all his people can be killed
1
5,000
32
1
60,000
33
1,000
34
1
5
35
12,000
12,000
36
God stops the sun so Joshua can get his killing done in the daylight
5,000
37
5
10,000
38
Joshua utterly destroyed all that breathed as the Lord commanded
7
7,000
39
The genocide of twenty cities: There was not any left to breathe
2
20,000
40
5,000
41
10,000
10,000
42
1,000
43
5,000
44
1
1,000
45
1
1
46
10,000
10,000
47
600
600
48
1,000
49
1
1
50
Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's sword against his fellow
120,000
120,000
51
A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit
1,001
2,000
52
20,000
53
1
1
54
42,000
42,000
55
30
30
56
1,000
1,000
57
3,000
3,000
58
A holy civil war (it had something to do with rotting concubine body part messages)
65,100
65,100
59
4,000
60
34,002
34,002
61
3,000
62
50,070
50,070
63
1,000
64
Another Ammonite massacre (and another God-inspired body part message)
1,000
65
20
20
66
1,000
67
10,000
68
1
1
69
1
1
70
200
200
71
10,000
72
1
1
73
60,000
74
1,000
75
God kills Saul, his sons, and his soldiers (because Saul didn't kill all the Amalekites)
4
100
76
1
1
77
2
2
78
God helps David smite the Philistines from the front and the rear
2,000
79
1
1
80
David killed two-thirds of the Moabite POWs and enslaved the rest
667
81
65,850
66,850
82
15,000
25,000
83
1,000
84
1
1
85
7
3,000
86
1,403
3,400
87
God killed 70,000 because of David had a census that God (or Satan) told him to do
70,000
200,000
88
2
2
89
1
1
90
1
1
91
10
92
20
93
1
1
94
3,000
95
450
450
96
10,000
97
God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a god of the hills
100,000
100,000
98
27,000
27,000
99
1
1
100
1
1
101
God burned 102 men to death for asking Elijah to come down from his hill
102
102
102
1
1
103
God sent bears to kill 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head
42
42
104
5,000
105
1
1
106
7,000
107
1
1
108
1
1
109
70
70
110
20
111
42
42
112
20
113
Jehu assembled the followers of Baal and then slaughtered them all
1,000
114
2
2
115
10
116
185,000
185,000
117
1
1
118
100
119
50,000
120
500,000
500,000
121
1
1
122
1,000,000
1,000,000
123
Friendly fire: God forced "a great multitude" to kill each other
30,000
124
1
1
125
3
126
1
1
127
1
10,000
128
1
1,000
129
1
10,000
130
120,000
120,000
131
10,000
132
75,813
75,813
133
10
60
134
1
1
135
1
1
136
2
2
137
Judith is blessed above all women (for cutting off a sleeping man's head)
1
1
138
1,000
139
2
2
140
100
141
1
1
142
1
1
143
800
4,900
144
3,000
3,000
145
5,000
17,000
146
11,000
37,000
147
Nicanor's army: The Almighty being their helper, they slew above nine thousand men
147,002
147,002
148
Jonathan and Simon destroy the wicked out of Israel
1 Mac 9:46-49 , 2 Mac 8:30-33 , 10:61
1,000
1,200
149
Five heavenly horsemen cast darts and fireballs at the enemy
21,103
21,400
150
1
1
151
Idumeans, traitors, and Jews in two towers
40,000
40,100
152
Nicanor's head: A manifest sign of the help of God
35,000
35,000
153
Aliens at Cades
3,000
3,000
154
John burns to death 2000 in the tower of Azotus
2,000
2,000
155
God sent wasps to slowly destroy people
1,000
156
2
2
157
1
1
158
1
1
Totals
2,821,364
24,994,828
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
Take care,
Ismael
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Cold Steel
Madgiant, many of the examples you display are not God killing people, but people killing people. David, for example, killed the messenger (an Amalekite), not for delivering a message, but for killing King Saul. We don't know all the facts, but what we do know is that 1) God didn't have anything to do with it; 2) the Amalekite slew Saul, who was anointed King over Israel by a prophet of God; his life was thus sacrosanct; and 3) he sought to gain favor by bringing David the crown and bracelet. In fact, he slew Saul because, he said, “I was sure that he could not live after that he was fallen: and I took the crown that was upon his head, and the bracelet that was on his arm, and have brought them hither unto my lord. ” He may have been telling the truth, but you don’t kill a king who has been anointed of God, and you certainly don’t kill a king to curry the favor of his successor. In Robert Graves’ I Claudius, the chief praetorian, Macro, smothers Tiberius as a favor to Caligula and presents him with the imperial ring. And Caligula is grateful; however, as soon as he had consolidated his power, he had Macro killed, because he realized that anyone who would kill one emperor would certainly kill another, if the occasion warranted it. And it just so happened that Macro’s successor was the one who organized the plot to kill Caligula, and was on of the first to plunge his sword into the reprobate.
David’s murder of Uriah wasn’t mentioned in the list, most probably because it was a sin David was condemned for by the Lord. In like manner, many of the other things you list are not of God (such as the killings of the circumcised, the killings committed by Samson, and even the killing of Goliath) and the ones that were done by God were done for good and just reasons.
So for those who buy the Which, for example, do you think was an undeserved killing, or killings, by God? And in which was God completely out of line? Are there any justifiable reasons the Lord can take life or is the taking of all life by Deity a travesty? At what point did God lose the right to judge his creations. If he gave us life and taught us the ways of righteousness, does he not retain the power and right to judge us according to the laws he has given us?
These lists are essentially meaningless.
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Elijah calls down fire on his sacrifice in front
of the 600 heathen priests he later caused
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MrFreeze
Cold Steel, according to the Bible the Israelites stole the land from the Canaanites. What would you do if another nation just suddenly moved into your land?
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iCeltic
MadGiant - perfect, many thanks.
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Captain Obvious
Good point MrFreeze.
If you were told by some crazy prophet fella that 3 million aggressive people were going to come into your town to take everything you own, what would you do? They come thundering into your state demanding that you surrender, or watch your family die before your eyes before you are killed... God ordered the Israelites to kill every last one of them, even babies. That, my friend, is genocide. God-ordered genocide. Cold Steel, how you can say that isn't what the bible said is beyond me. You say the Canaanites were a cult that sacrificed children... So is the WTS, yet I have no desire to see them all brutally murdered.
