Jesus was a False Prophet

JosephAlward

As he sat upon Mount of Olives, Jesus was telling his disciples about the end of the world and what they could expect just before that apocalyptic event. They asked him,

"When shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” And Jesus answered...For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be...the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.... when ye shall see all these things, know that it (coming of son of god) is near... (Matthew 24:1-34)

Jesus left no doubt about when the apocalypse would occur: it would be soon:

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) ....Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet.......when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
(Matthew 24:29-34)

The disciples standing before Jesus obviously have already tasted death, unless somewhere there is a 1900-year-old disciple wandering around Israel, and the angels have not come yet with sound of trumpets. The generation Jesus spoke of has long passed, and all those things Jesus said would happened before it passed have not happened. Thus, either Matthew was wrong about what Jesus said, or else Jesus was wrong, or both. Either way, the Bible is in error.

Joseph F. Alward
"Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

Faithful2Jah

Ever heard of Preterism, Joe?

Jesus came in his kingdom in a limited sense when he established his church by pouring out God's Holy Spirit upon his followers at Pentacost in 33 AD. He also returned in a limited sense in both power and judgement when he used the armies of Rome to destroy the city of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Both of these events took place in the lifetimes of his apsotles.

In the future he will he return in an absolute sense. When he does, Joe, I would not want to be standing in your shoes.

DazedAndConfused

Joseph, what is your purpose here? Do you really want answers or are you just putting scenarios out there for all to respond to and then you can pick them apart? Like I have said a couple of times in your threads... "I feel like a microbe under a microscope". Come on, give as to why you post these things.

radar

Hi Joseph

It is interesting that if you read the letters of the early Christian writers, it becomes obvious that they all felt that they were living in the time that Jesus spoke about.
James 5:8 The Presence of the Lord as drawn near

This "Presence" had not happened by the time the writer of Revelation, wrote : Revelaytion 22: 20 Come Lord Jesus come

You can almost sense the desperation in that plea.

Christian Apologists will point to the events that befall Jerusalem under General Titus and say that this was an "END" of the Jewish system of things that Jesus spoke about.

Yet it is clear that this was not the expectation or the teaching of the early Church. This can be seen from such words as penned by James in the quote above, infact if one reads the surrounding verses of that Bible verse it is clear.

Christian apologists will go to any lenghts to explain the failure of Jesus's prophecy. Take "Larsguy" for example, he believes that there are in reality people still alivefrom the days of Jesus when he was said to utter those words.

Carmel

Radar,

Joe is stuck in the same rut of Jesuscentrism that wants certain statements and stories taken alegorically, then claims the same scripture will be literally fulfilled "soon". If it was a metaphore then, the fullfillment now would have to be equally metaphorical, no? Well anyway, it isn't surprising that stories told over and over became hagiographically exaggerated to the point that they have lost any semblance of applical meaning. Attempting to prove that the bible is contradictory plays into the same ploy of time wasting.

Now if one wants to be "Christocentric" and see Jesus as one manifestation of the "Christ" a lot of the stories become plausable and not so contradictory.

cheers,

carmel

Faithful2Jah

I'm not sure about some of that stuff Carmel just said. But I completely agree with the first part. "Joe is stuck in the same rut."

hooberus

Didn't Stephen see the son of man (Acts 7) before he tasted death?

RWC

You are mixing two seperate events. The prophecy in Matt. 16 was fulfilled when the disciples witnessed the transfiguration.

radar

RWC.... "You are mixing two seperate events. The prophecy in Matt. 16 was fulfilled when the disciples witnessed the transfiguration"

Spoken like a JW apologist.

Incedently how did Peter James and John recognise Moses and Elijah next to Jesus?
Perhaps they had a painting of them somewhere hidden in their robes eh.

hooberus... "Didn't Stephen see the son of man (Acts 7) before he tasted death?"
Now are you speaking alegorically here? How do you read Carmel?

JosephAlward

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus,
"Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters--one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." (Matthew 17:1-4)

[How] did Peter, James, and John recognise Moses and Elijah next to Jesus? Perhaps they had a painting of them somewhere hidden in their robes, eh?

That’s a great point, Radar. Unless Jesus interrupted his transfiguration to whisper to Peter that the folks who just appeared were Moses and Elijah, how would Peter have known who they were? It’s not as if Moses and Elijah were wearing name tags.

But, what sensible man would think that Jesus would interrupt an event which is one of the most important since the dawn of time to do something as mundane as telling Peter who those men were? Couldn't he have waited until later?

Thus, we see one more example of a Bible story that is senseless. Folks like AChristian and Faithful and others will perhaps tell us that all of these "difficulties" will be seen to make all the sense in the world once the true-believers finally get to the sweet bye 'n bye, where Jesus will explain it all to them.

Joseph F. Alward
"Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

Jesus was a False Prophet

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