I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

by booker-t 80 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Joepublisher1
    Joepublisher1

    I came across this article on sociopaths:

    "How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job"

    I was particularly struck by these two red flags:

    #9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack. #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truthmerely because they say it!

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html

  • wannabe
    wannabe

    According to Hebrews 3:1-6 and Herbrews 10:19-21 - it is Jesus who is the faithful slave as the great high priest; appointed over the house of God! wannabe- don't thank me, buy me something ! Ha

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Don't feel bad, so is the Governing Body!

  • prologos
    prologos

    sd7 that was a good analysis 3 month ago.

    re: only 40,50 of the 144 000 supplying spiritual teaching. 3 explanations to that:

    1) the old teaching was right, while the Brooklyn Headquarters house the FDS today, so did every generation of christians had teachers. they are just the latter day bunch.

    2) the 144 000, fellow rulers with christ are not the F&DS at all, but are the sealed ones, martyrs killed by the ax, having that sealed fate. Re.7, Rev.20. its wt doctrine that rolls all this into one.

    3) the apporx. 143 992 that were resurrected in heaven in 1918 !!! are waiting out their newly found immortality to have these 8 or so receive the award, just before Armageddon in their RAPTURE at that future time, for all of them , so that they can also have some of that power, of course that waiting, secondary group includes the bible writers, real hard workers and martyrs too. WoW what arrogance. no wonder,

    as you pointed out they do not use want to the first person in their writing. If you "told it like it is" it really would sound gross. it is gross. Back home we have a rhime, proverb: self aggrandizement STINKS. the same word in both languages.

    re Christians ruling christians no scripture found: to the contrary: 1Cor.4:8 "--you have began to rule as KINGS [ALREADY] without us have you [GB]--?

    thank you and we can not wait until this gets ripped apart in September in the JWN preparation for meetings.

  • Stauros
    Stauros

    Some thought Charles T. Russell was the faithful and discreet(wise)servant but came to a clearer understanding the slave class is a body of believers not one person.


    This is because Charles T. Russell died. Where does it say in the bible that the slave dies? Since he died they had to come up with another (theory or deception) in order to cover over their fallacy....

  • AncientAlien
    AncientAlien

    This creates a lot of pending thougts:

    1) So what's really the role of the 144,000 minus the 8(GB)? Is it to Simple Chew Some Unleaven Bread with Wine at the Memorial?..

    2) I the Article the said that first century christians with Paul gether with eldermen of the congregation to solve critical matters, thust they created some sort of a "Governing Body"... Were tey also "Faithful Slave"?.... Ok, If not , (cause Jesus had the "Slaves" in 1919) then what kind of "Governing Body" were they?..

    3) The article also mentioned that there was NO NEED TO ASK that question ("Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave") in the First Century becasue, it was obvious that the Apostles were being backed Up by Jesus... Then, since it was not necessary for this question to be asked, then,...Were They The the Faithful and Discreet Slave??.... If not , (cause Jesus had the "Slaves" in 1919), then who were they?

    Yes I AM CONFUSED INDEED!

    -AncientAlien

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    The FDS members Jesus inspected, approved and appointed over the domestics in 1919 are all dead (or rather, their human bodies are dead). How did the present FDS get appointed in their place? As new FDS collectives come into existence, does Jesus have to make new appointments? Or is it more like the Catholic 'apostolic succession' idea?

    If the 1919 FDS has now been resurrected to heaven, do they now have their 'heavenly reward'? What is that 'reward'?

    If the present day FDS gets its reward of being 'appointed over all Jesus' belongings' together with the rest of the living 'anointed,' and that is a future event, what are the 1919 FDS doing up there? Are the titles 'kings' and 'priests' empty ones because they have no realm or responsibility yet?

    If the 1919 FDS has already been appointed over all Jesus' belongings, they've had their reward now, in which case, they must also have authority over the present day FDS class since the present day FDS is surely part of 'all the Master's belongings.' Wouldn't there be, then, 2 FDS classes, one with greater status than the other? Wouldn't we also have a situation where the resurrected 'non-FDS anointed' in heaven would have greater status than the present day FDS?

    AncientAlien - welcome

  • AncientAlien
    AncientAlien

    Hahaha AnnOMaly..

    Intersting points indeed!

    i just bounced at this article:

    CAREFULLY READ THIS ARTICLE OF THE WATCHTOWER... (w81 3/1 ):

    Do You Appreciate the “Faithful and Discreet Slave”?

    “WHO really is the faithful and discreet slave?” With that question, Jesus Christ introduced a parable, or an illustration, of prophetic importance. It is part of the “sign” he gave regarding the “conclusion of the system of things,” in which we are now living. (Matt. 24:3) After instructing his disciples to keep on the watch, Jesus said:

    “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.”—Matt. 24:42-47.
    Who is this “slave” and who are the “domestics”? What are the “belongings”? Such questions are not of mere academic interest. Properly identifying and cooperating with the “faithful and discreet slave” will mean great happiness and rich spiritual rewards.

    “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

    Some state that the “slave” refers to Christian ministers, or their office of oversight, with responsibility to care for the spiritual needs of the congregation. The ‘master’s’ arrival is said to be either the second coming of Christ or the death of the individual minister. Thus it is held that the parable should motivate Christian ministers to care well for what is entrusted to them.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that this parable pertains to the one true congregation of Jesus Christ’s anointed followers. Beginning with Pentecost, 33 C.E., and continuing through the 19 centuries since then, this slavelike congregation has been feeding its members spiritually, doing so faithfully and discreetly. Especially has the identity of this “slave” become clear at the time of Christ’s return or presence.

    The “slave” is identifiable by its watchfulness and by the fact that it is faithfully and discreetly providing spiritual food as needed by all in the Christian congregation. Indeed, this “slave,” or spirit-anointed congregation, is the one approved channel representing God’s kingdom on earth in the “time of the end.” (Dan. 12:4) Witnesses of Jehovah understand that the “slave” is comprised of all anointed Christians as a group on earth at any given time during the 19 centuries since Pentecost. Accordingly, the “domestics” are these followers of Christ as individuals.
    Some readers may feel that this is a rather sectarian view of matters. Or they may object to the idea that the “slave” and the “domestics” represent the same class, one as a composite body and the other as individuals.

    The objectors may argue that not all of Christ’s anointed disciples have a share in preparing the spiritual food, so that perhaps the “slave” pictures only the leading ones, and the “domestics” those they serve in the congregation.

    There is no point in trying to force an interpretation of the parable.

    Self-deception is of no benefit and is spiritually damaging. Therefore, we must look to the Scriptures for an understanding. In doing this, what do we find? This “slave” is a servant of the Master Christ Jesus and his Father, Jehovah. (Compare Matthew 10:24, 25.) And a servant can be a collective group. In the past, the entire nation of Israel was Jehovah’s servant, or slave.

    He said to them: “You, O Israel, are my servant.” (Isa. 41:8, 9; 44:21) This one servant was composed of individuals, as Isaiah 43:10 shows in stating: “‘You are my witnesses [plural],’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘even my servant [singular] whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me.’” These Israelites of ancient times were Jehovah’s “special property,” a “holy nation.” (Ex. 19:5, 6) Even though not every individual shared in administrating the nation’s affairs, all individuals made up the one people, God’s “servant.” Only a few shared in writing or copying the Holy Scriptures, yet the apostle Paul could say of the people of Israel: “They were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God.” (Rom. 3:1, 2) To these belonged the covenants, the Law and the promises. (Rom. 9:3-5)

    So the entire nation was Jehovah’s collective, or composite, “servant,” while it, at the same time, was made up of individuals, his “witnesses.”
    When Jesus was on earth, he told Israel’s religious leaders: “The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.” (Matt. 21:43)

    This “nation” producing Kingdom fruits must be the widespread true Christian congregation, concerning which Peter wrote: “You are . . . ‘a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one [God] that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but are now God’s people.” (1 Pet. 2:9, 10) Such congregation is also called the “Israel of God” and “God’s household.” (Gal. 6:16; 1 Tim. 3:15)

    The individuals in the congregation are called “members of the household of God.” (Eph. 2:19) ‘Faithful stewardship’ among such household members involves the dispensing of spiritual truths, which constitute suitable “food” for believers. (1 Cor. 3:2-5; 4:1, 2) It is noteworthy that the “faithful and discreet slave” is called a “steward” at Luke 12:42-48.

    While alive on earth, Jesus’ faithful apostles were especially responsible for providing spiritual teaching for the “household of God.” Appointed ‘shepherds’ of the “flock,” as well as others, also had similar responsibility. However, the apostle Peter shows that such stewardship of divine truths actually was committed to all the ‘chosen ones.’ Hence, each respective member of the congregation made a contribution to the building up of the body. (Eph. 4:11-16; 1 Pet. 1:1, 2; 4:10, 11; 5:1-3)

    Thus we see a clear Scriptural basis for saying that all anointed followers of Christ Jesus make up God’s “servant,” with Jesus as its Master. Accordingly, that servant, or “slave,” as a collective body provides spiritual food for all the individuals of this congregation, which make up the household of “domestics.” These individually benefit as recipients of that food.—1 Cor. 12:12, 19-27; Heb. 3:5, 6; 5:11-14.

    .............

    DO you know the meaning of the word audasity?

    1) Fearless daring.

    2) Aggressive boldness or unmitigated effrontery

    presumptuousness

    1)Take upon oneself; act presumptuously, without permission

    2)A kind of discourtesy in the form of an act of presuming

    Can you see how this applies to the watchtower?

  • Stauros
    Stauros

    There is no such thing as the faithful and discreet slave "class". It is one person. How can you read the scripture and say that it is a class of people?

    45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?+ 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+ 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings. 48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’+ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,+ 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.+

    The W.T.S. are decieving the masses with their teaching of the faithful and discreet slave.......just read the scripture to know that it is one person. Their is "one" master and "one" slave.....

    E.

  • AlphaMan
    AlphaMan

    Don't forget the court case in Australia where the Watchtower loons said there was no such thing as a Faithful & Discreet Slave. Takes a whole legal dept for this cult to stay ahead of all their lies.

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