That is what my son said to me this morning during a further discussion on yesterdays WT study, and upon learning that the 1978 light is back.
I can only blame myself
"I don't really care Dad, I will just go with what they say"!
by AnonJW 24 Replies latest watchtower bible
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The Searcher
@ ANONJW
I can empathise to a certain extent with you.
Since coming to realise that various of our teachings and practices are contrary to what the Bible really teaches, I have tried very tactfully to discuss certain things with those closest to me in the congregation. (3 or 4)
Sadly their responses have been very similar to my fleshly sister - "let's not talk about these things, just wait and see". The G.B. is so revered by many, that whatever is stated in the literature is viewed as Bible truth - because "they are Christ's brothers, and we are not".
What most of our brothers and sisters can't/won't reason on, is the fact that "the food at the proper time" is not produced by "heavenly-hopers", it is generated by the thinking abilities of ones who have an earthly hope!! There may well be a "heavenly-hoper" overseeing or reviewing the material, but they do not produce it.
Ask your son to give you his Bible-based reasoning on these three Scriptures, in logical order -
1 Peter 4:17 ; Revelation 2:21,22; and 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
If he tries to explain it using literature - tell him No! He must reason on God's word.
He has to realise for himself that our faith is based on our Leader, Christ Jesus - not an 'organization'.
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irondork
AnonJW, what 1978 light are you talking about?
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JWOP
Yeah, what 1978 light?
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carla
1978 light?
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DesirousOfChange
1978 light?
I believe the reference is to the toes of the image in Daniel. The 10 toes (10 indicating a complete number) no longer picture all the nations of the earth at the time the Kingdom takes power. Rather, there is no meaning to the fact that there are 10 toes, just simply a fact that the image of a man would have 10 toes (and 2 legs, and 2 arms, etc). This is a reversal back to Old Lite. This is what they taught prior to 1978.
Doc
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AnonJW
It was the point that the new lightre the toes of the image is in fact the old light from 1978
*** w786/15p.13HumanGovernmentsCrushedbyGod’sKingdom***
Tracing the development of the world powers through the image, from head to foot in the stream of time, we see that it begins with Babylon, and progressively goes through Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. The “fourth kingdom,” represented in the legs and feet, began with the Roman Empire. As time progressed, the power of this empire waned and the British Empire ascended, it being really an outgrowth from the old Roman Empire. This was so even though there was a vying with certain remnants of the Roman Empire for the position of world power. (Dan. 7:19, 20) There does not appear to be any prophetic significance to the image’s having ten toes. This is a natural human feature, just as the image has two arms, two legs, and so forth.
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Broken Promises
That's the attitude of young JWs today. Who cares what a statue means?
As long as he can still hang out with his friends and listen to music on his ipod, who cares?
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blondie
Yes I highlighted that in my comments for 8-12-2012 WT Study. But note other comments after that
*** w78 6/15 par.13***
Tracing the development of the world powers through the image, from head to foot in the stream of time, we see that it begins with Babylon, and progressively goes through Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. The “fourth kingdom,” represented in the legs and feet, began with the Roman Empire. As time progressed, the power of this empire waned and the British Empire ascended, it being really an outgrowth from the old Roman Empire. This was so even though there was a vying with certain remnants of the Roman Empire for the position of world power. (Dan. 7:19, 20) There does not appear to be any prophetic significance to the image’s having ten toes. This is a natural human feature, just as the image has two arms, two legs, and so forth.
*** w85 7/1 p.31 Questions From Readers***
? What is symbolized by “the feet and the toes” of the “immense image” described at Daniel 2:31-45?
This prophecy was inspired by the One “who is a Revealer of secrets,” the Sovereign Lord Jehovah God himself, and reaches its culmination in “the final part of the days,” when the issue of world domination is to be settled once and for all time. (Daniel 2:28) Up until our day, from the start of “the times of the Gentiles” in 607 B.C.E., there has been a succession of world powers, commencing with imperial Babylon and proceeding with Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Anglo-American empire. These are represented by the metallic parts of the image.—Luke 21:24, King James Version.
However, with the ending of the Gentile Times in 1914, a conglomeration of different kinds of man-rule has appeared here on the earth. (Matthew 24:3-12) The common man (“the offspring of mankind” made from the dust of the ground) wields greater influence in affairs of government. Socialistic and democratic rulerships have come to the fore, along with other ironlike oppressive forms of government. They are like the “iron mixed with moist clay” that make up the feet and toes of the image.
Various views have been expressed about the ten “toes.” But since “ten” is often used in the Bible to signify completeness as to things on earth, the ten “toes” appear logically to represent the entire global system of rulership at the culmination of the days. It is against the feet and toes of the image that ‘God’s Kingdom comes,’ grinding to powder the final manifestations of man-rule. How happy we can be that the peaceful, prosperous rule of Christ’s Kingdom will then fill the entire earth!—Matthew 6:9, 10; compare Isaiah 11:1, 9.
The further dream of Nebuchadnezzar described in Daniel chapter 4 points also to events following the end of the Gentile Times. At last people must come to “know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it,” that is, to the King, Jesus Christ.—Daniel 4:25; 7:13, 14.
[Footnotes]
See “Your Will Be Done on Earth,” published in 1958 by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., pages 108-27, for a more detailed discussion of the “immense image.”
*** it-1 p.1187 (1988) Image***
The mixture of iron and clay in the toes of the great image graphically illustrates the condition due to be manifest in the final expression of political world domination. Clay is elsewhere used metaphorically in the Scriptures to stand for fleshly men, made of the dust of the earth. (Job 10:9; Isa 29:16; Ro 9:20, 21) Daniel’s interpretation thus appears to equate the clay with “the offspring of mankind,” the mixing in of which produces fragility in that which is symbolized by the image’s ten toes. This points to a weakening and a lack of cohesion in the ironlike strength of the final form of world domination by earthly kingdoms. (Da 2:41-43) The common man would wield greater influence in affairs of government. “Ten” being used consistently in the Bible to express completeness (see NUMBER, NUMERAL), the ten toes apparently represent the entire global system of rulership at the time when God’s Kingdom is established and takes action against the worldly powers.—Compare Re 17:12-14.
*** g90 11/22 p.18***
Appropriately, the number “ten ” as used in the Bible signifies completeness as to earthly things. So political human rule in its entirety, unitedly opposed to divine sovereignty during the time of the end, is what the ‘ten toes’ of the image would logically represent.
*** 1999 Daniel Prophecy dp chap. 4 p. 59 par. 27 ***
At the dawn of the 20th century, the British Empire ruled over every fourth person on earth. Other European empires controlled millions more. But World War I resulted in the emergence of groups of nations in place of empires. After World War II, this trend accelerated. As nationalism developed further, the number of nations in the world grew dramatically. The ten toes of the image represent all such coexisting powers and governments, for in the Bible the number ten at times signifies earthly completeness.—Compare Exodus 34:28; Matthew 25:1; Revelation 2:10.
*** 1999 Daniel Prophecy dp chap. 4 p. 61 par. 34 ***
The birth of the Kingdom took place “in the days of those kings.” (Daniel 2:44) These were not only the kings pictured by the ten toes of the image but also those symbolized by its iron, copper, silver, and gold parts. Although the Babylonian, Persian, Grecian, and Roman empires had passed away as world powers, their remnants still existed in 1914. The Turkish Ottoman Empire then occupied the territory of Babylonia, and national governments were functioning in Persia (Iran) and Greece and Rome, Italy.