Here we go again on "false prophecies"

by booker-t 17 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Ultimate Axiom
    Ultimate Axiom

    booker-t, The Watchtower of May 1, 1977, page 8, described a simple two part test for identifying a true messenger (or prophet) of Jehovah. It reads:

    “Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their foolish, fleshly thinking!”

    I suggest you ask this CO to give an example of even a single message that the WTS has delivered that has come true (and no after the event prophecies). I for one would be eager to hear them.

    Then I would ask him to explain the following messages that have not come true (I could give you plenty more examples, but this dozen should suffice). Surely, by the WT’s own yardstick, they are a false messenger!

    1). The Battle of Armageddon would end in 1914 (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. II, 1889 Ed., page 101, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol IV, 1897 Ed., page 622 and The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, page 99).

    2). The Battle of Armageddon would end in 1915 (Studies in the Scriptures, 1915 Ed., Vol. II, page 101 and The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, page 242).

    3). The Day of Vengence would break in 1918 (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, page 404 and Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, page 485).

    4). All of the governments would be swallowed up in anarchy by the fall of 1920 (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, pages 258 and 542).

    5). The Kingdom in Palestine will be set up in 1925 (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, page 128).

    6). The prophets of old would be resurrected in 1925 (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1918 edition, page 89 and 1920 edition, page 97).

    7). Armageddon is coming within months of 1935 (Universal War Near, 1935, pages 3, 26 and 27).

    8). Armageddon is coming within months of 1941 (Watchtower September 15, 1941, page 228).

    9). The prophets of old would be resurrected in 1942 (Consolation, April 27, 1942, page 13).

    10). Armageddon would come within the lifetime of people alive in 1914 (Watchtower, June 1, 1951, page 335, Watchtower, July 1, 1951, page 404 and You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, 1982, page 154).

    11). Armageddon would come in the mid 1970s (Awake October 8, 1966, page 20, Watchtower, May 1, 1968, Watchtower, August 15, 1968, page 499 and Awake!, October 8, 1968, page 14).

    12). Armageddon would come in the 20th Century (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971, 2nd edition pages 216 and 356 and Watchtower January 1, 1989, page 12).

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    Millions now will never die!

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    Sparlock!

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    The Bible shows the expectations of the Disciples, it does not show where they taught the things imagined or questioned

    The CO made an assumption he could not prove from Bible text. He tried to make you base your belief on an assumption

    The Bible does show where Hananiah the prophet claimed to represent Jehovah and taught the people to believe in a falsehood

    Jeremiah the prophet who also claim to represent Jehovah, told Hananiah that he would die for that false prophecy and when he would die

    and Hananiah died , just like Jeramiah said, thus makin' Jeramiah a true prophet of Jehovah

    On page 133 in the Reasoning from the scriptures book the WTS state " True prophets speak in the name of God "

    and compare themselves as having such qualifications

    " If any individual or organizations claim to represent God. But decline to use God's personal name, and make it a practice to express their own opinions on matters, are they measuring up to this important qualification of a true prophet ? "__________Reasoning book page 133

    It is because they consider themselves true prophets, and have made prophecies that didn't come true

    equates them wit Hannaiah the false prophet

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    marked

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    And about that prophesying partial

    the JW's not only repeated what was partial , like the signs of the times

    but they went a step futher by tellin' when the end would come

    In the Reasonin book the WTS states that the folks alive in 1914

    would not die and would be the ones to see the end

    Jesus said he didn't even know when the end would be,

    because it wasn't in his jurisdiction to know

    That's why they had so many do overs of " New Light "

    Just like Hananiah the JW's are DEAD MEN WALKIN'

  • Ucantnome
    Ucantnome

    I posted this on another thread.

    In the 1966 Watchtower page 215 it says,

    "But before Jesus died he told his disciples of an even better good news that would be proclaimed on a world wide scale"

    "But notice that Jesus was talking about the time of the end, when he said: "THIS good news of the kingdom will be preached." Yes, the good news of the King at hand would again be preached, meaning that the Kingdom had been obtained by the King and that he had returned to exercise Kingdom power."

    On page 216 of the same Watchtower,

    "There is a second urgent reason why all person who belong to a religion of Christendom should give more than the usual attention to this good news of the kingdom being preached. That reason is that there is a judgement message that accompanies the good news"

    This judgement was to take place within the generation that saw the events of 1914.

    In the book Man’s Salvation Out of World Distress At Hand (WTBTS 1975) on page 232/3 it says,

    “Understandably when Christendom, who is boasting today of nearly a thousand million church members, is reduced to the desolated estate once predicted for the desolated estate once predicted for the land of Edom, it will cause great wonderment. How could such an almost unbelievable thing occur? Especially within this generation that experienced the end of the Gentile Times more than sixty years ago – in 1914 C.E.”

    Earlier on page 48 in the same publication it states

    “In the face of the relatively small proportion of the world’s population that has put faith in the “thing heard [from] us” or proclaimed by us, it can truthfully be said: “They did not all obey the good news.” This explains the saddening state of a the world of mankind today.

    The point I’m making and maybe I am wrong, is that in Romans 10 the apostle Paul was talking about “The glorification of Jesus Christ in heaven after his extraordinary sufferings as a man on earth was good news, Gospel, Evangel.” (same book page 47) this is the "thing heard from us" and the faith in this was necessary for salvation. Faith in good news that included the time frame of the generation of 1914 lead to disappointment and possible loss of faith in what was the apostle Paul’s gospel talked of in Romans 10.

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    Fascinating discussion which I will follow with interest.

    Quendi

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