Hi Trans, I'm gonna read that a bit later so am marking for now...
Smackdown! Jesus vs. Paul.
by transhuman68 15 Replies latest jw friends
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transhuman68
Found this amusing webpage about Paul while looking for something else- written by one of Yahshua’s followers, it features a clever assassination of Paul’s character, and some interesting speculation about Revelation. Can’t help thinking that Christians are sometimes their own worst enemies- when they are finished fighting, the atheists can come in and mop up what’s left!
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mP
was paul historical, who was paul ? very few ppl who have been given his education w/ a famous rabbi , sorry his name escapes me but imrecall'it started w/ g and sounded like gamiel. he also had authority to persecute troubled jewish religious types. in all honesty everyone always tell younthese were xians, they never tell any of the religious landscape ofmancient judea at that time. there were many militant sects causing great violence before and after jesus . these religious extremeists are the reason the romans invaded and destroyed the temple as punishment. theynwere sick of nutty religious education that was motivating these ancient terrorists. the target of pauls investigations could very well be these same religious types and not xians or followers of jesus. we assume paul is talking about jesus and his followers but what proof for this is there ? there were many false messiahs at the time, was paul targetting them? just who exactly had the authority to take a small army or company of roman troops to capture and kill these followers. surely we agree these policemen must have been roman w/ roman authority. the exercise was to neutralise these religiously inspired troublemakers. in fact the temple destruction and the entire invasion was started by an incident by the son the high priest. surely history records men w/ this sort of mission, so where is paul in this ? why cant such a persecutor called saul or paul be found ? we know the story of the roman trip is really jospheus. we also know that josephus also led roman troops to catch jewish troublemakers. interestingly many of jesus apostles were members of these same groups. zealots, judas iscariot = sicarii or daggerman .
so is paul really josephus ?
i also recall reading somewhere that josephus was very interested in religious reform. he was troubled by sacrifice amongst other things. could the elimination of sacrifice be compatible w/ josephus own similar feelings. we can find that josephus said the same in his own writings. we also know that josephus was not as bigotted as jews, he freely communicated and interacted w/ gentiles
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mP
something that was radical for the time. remember thatnjesus himself didnt preach to gentiles and he had trouble even talking to the sick gentile woman who he releuctantly cured. thismwoman is the one that remarked that she was a dog eatting whatnhas fallen off the masters table. the more we examine pauls thoughts tye more we fnd the are interesting com,patinle w/ josephus. i believe there are other sources for building pauls grand story, where history, and conlfation and some inventive story making has been used.
so could paul really be josephus ?
is paul hiatorical?
does paul really know jesus?
what can we learn of jesus from pauls writings.?
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designs
Most Jews have no problem accepting that a Jesus character existed historically they see him as a Maggid, wandering preacher type and not uncommon in that period.
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mP
theres a big difference between just another jew and the jesus story. pretending maybe he did exist w/ the proof we have is part of the dishonesty that accepts the entire story and more as truth. matthew lies about prophecies jesus supposedly fulfilled, some are outright pathetic others are a joke. then we have more lies like the zombies wondering around all'tye streets of jeruslaem when jesus died. funny how we domt hear or see of that in wts literature. somehow i think they know thats a outright lie themselves.
muhammad may have existed, it really doesnt matter. did he talk to god thru gabriel and fly to jeruslam and heaven - no.