by varian 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • varian

    well then, i suppose as we are facing the 100th anniversay of jesus return in 1914, there sure must be the usual rumors going on in the cong.

    for those in touch with jw: what have you heard so far? is it a bit like pre-1975 with high expectations?

  • EndofMysteries

    that would be 'reasonable' and if they didn't screw up on the 1975 thing, they could have came up with a 2014 prediction. I think they are 'hoping' something happens, so they can drop the 1914 and say, "new light on 1914".

    "Evidentally" 1914 date was based off of 1874 as the end of 6,000 years of man. When we found out that we were 100 years off, we thought that 1975 was going to be that date. But since we had since changed our calculation of 1914 to hide the 1874 date as Christs return and agree with our teachings on the 'evidence' of 1914 as proof we are God's organization, we couldn't then update the end of 2014 from the 1975 date. Now that big things are happening, this new light that Christ's return is 2014 is evident that he has now returned and has selected us as the faithful and discreet slave.

  • Chalam

    Welcome varian!

    Revelation 1:7 (New International Version)

    7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,
    and every eye will see him,
    even those who pierced him;
    and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

    Acts 1:9-11 (New International Version)

    9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

    10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (New International Version)

    The Man of Lawlessness
    1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness [ a ] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

    1. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Some manuscripts sin




    I heard a number of people say over the years that if it didn't come by 2014 then christ's coming would be history. I think as we draw closer to the date all those JW's will selectively forget they ever mentioned it.


  • cameo-d

    They will prolly just pick a group of new young board members who will say "Jesus told us to tell you...." so instead of the FDS, it will be replaced by these new vicars.

    And to keep things going they will promote the green agenda from the green man. It sounds christ-y enough. Instead of door knocking, JWs will go out to pick up the litter from all the magazines they passed out.

  • ProdigalSon

    I think the next new light will be that the Big A will come 120 years after 1914, and they will cite Jesus saying "just as in the days of Noah" .... but they will probably hold off on that for awhile because the dubs will fold up tent and fade out if they are told they have to wait until 2034. I don't think it matters though, because there will be so much revealed in the near future that all religions will be exposed for what they are and will all fall at the same time. Call it the fall of Babylon if you will, but Babylon is actually much much bigger than that. It is the fall of the human ego, aka "Satan".


  • wobble

    Dear Prod, I do hope you are right since much of the evil in the World and its problems are the fault of religion.

    2014 is a problem that must be in the back of all Dubs minds :

    "100 years, and He has done two things, not much and bugger-all !"

  • oldlightnewshite

    Lol @ cameo,

    Instead of door knocking, JWs will go out to pick up the litter from all the magazines they passed out.

    Now I would pray for that!

  • isaacaustin

    Well, the SDA's have held onto 1844- once an important date (originally Christ's return)...which has now faded in importance but is considered the beginning of 'investigative judgment). 1914 will probably always be the time of the end...or perhaps remaining as just the end of the gentile times...a term that will fade in importance but always be held onto to keep the 1914 date and subsequent events intact.

  • wobble

    The more they hang on to it the better, it is easy to disprove and therefore explode the myths they have built up about being chosen as the FDS in 1919.

    I think they have already let it fade in to one of those things that is just accepted, they certainly discourage new ones from looking in to it, hiding their reasonings in long, windy appendices to books etc.

    The calibre of people they attract today are unlikely to delve too deep.

    You have to go back a long way in their literature to come up with an easy to understand ,and therefore question , explanation of how they arrive at 1914.

    1914/1919 is their Achilles Heel.

  • WingCommander

    This is why I keep the 1984 Bound Volume. I can easily flip to the WT May 15th, 1984 editions and say, "See? Right here is proof that when I was 5 years old I was told I would NEVER grow up, become old, or die in this system of things, see? Right here!!!!" It is undeniable!!!

    2014 will be 30 years since this May 15th 1984 WT came out, and all of the older ones that we studied with are DEAD, both of my parents are DEAD, and I am still here, getting older, working, still in this system of things. No one can make the claim to me that these things weren't absolutely PROMISED to me.

    My generation has 1914, just as the previous older generation had 1975. 1914 is the new 1975, except no one can claim to have not have heard the "proofs".

    - Wing Commander

  • LouBelle

    both 2014 and 2034 are dates that I will likely see and live through and non of the armegeddon threats will come to light.

    The sad thing is even if you do reason and reason well and logically with them, they will refuse to see that the society is outright wrong, but will throw in the light is getting brighter all the time - their cop out forever and ever.

  • Eiben Scrood
    Eiben Scrood

    How fitting and appropriate it would be if God were to bring an end to this wicked system on the 100 year anniversary of Kingdom rule!

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    The sad thing is even if you do reason and reason well and logically with them, they will refuse to see that the society is outright wrong, but will throw in the light is getting brighter all the time - their cop out forever and ever.

    And this is why cults like the Watchtower should be illegal. It isn't about freedom of religion, it is about the basic human rights of religion's victims.

  • LV101

    mad sweeney --- YES, AND WHAT ABOUT basic human rights for vics of religions? the least this country could do is protect it's citizens from these criminals.


  • VampireDCLXV

    Welcome varian!

    When new years eve of 2014 rolls around let's party like its 1999! Woo Hoo!


    Honestly, wouldn't it be kewl if we could make it the biggest apostafest EVER?


  • diamondiiz

    They've mentioned 1914 less and less in their publications for the last 10 or so years. Just do a search in the wts cd and you'll see what I mean. The date is in the background just as generation isn't that important anymore, the time is being pushed aside and what I think is set up front is the encouragement of being loyal to GB and WTS. It wouldn't surprise me if they did something to 1914 similar to what Rutherford did. I haven't been the the kh in a while so maybe those still attending can tell us some rumors.....

  • free2beme

    I see a new understanding in the future!!!!

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    As Wobble has already pointed out, 1914 and ESPECIALLY 1919 are the achille's heels of the WTB&TS.

    Their foot is nailed to the floor on 1914. Why? Because if Christ didn't return in 1914, then he COULD NOT HAVE APPOINTED THE WTB&TS OVER "ALL HIS BELONGINGS" IN 1919.

    It would admitting that for the past 91 years (to date) the WTB&TS has been claiming an appointment from King Jesus that they could not possibly have!

    Personally, I'd LOVE to see them try to set 1914 aside, but I'm sure they know they can't, or at least haven't figured out how to do it yet.

  • diamondiiz

    Rutherford was able to do away with all of Russell's dates. If there is a change they will have to be willing to sacrfice a percantage of the flock for a longer future. If they can successfully beat into dubs that GB and WTS are God's channel and slowly eliminate mentioning dates the majority of the flock will keep loyal to the leaders when the day arrives for the change. Many if not most don't even remember that 1919 is tied to 1914 or how 1914 is arrived without checking wts publications. I can see the 1914 change, maybe not today or next year but could very well take place over the next 20 years as older ones die off and newer ones are steered away from dates but towards the leadership.

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