by 5thGeneration 121 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Was the speakers saying "this 2nd generation" is not of the anointed and will not serve in heaven?
No. He was simply saying that those anointed in the past 20 years are not part of THE generation that will by no means pass away before all these things occur.
Poor Fred Franz is rolling around in his grave because they're still trying to use him as their scapegoat.
So when Barr (Generation - part A) dies, the GB, will be able to use him as the same type of illustration? Extending to any partakers at that time (of any age) into "Generation - part B)? You know, there are 20 year olds who do partake, not many, and with suspiciion, however are in fact counted?
Exactly...it just buys them limitless time ...like a pension/insurance for the future when nothing happens yet again....
Loz x
And actually to take this a stage further....there will always be 'overlapping' generations in the Org's anointed as far as they know so they never need amend anything again....it just needs for some to become anointed in 50 years time when the current 20 year olds are 70 ....simples !!!
Loz x
Regardless of whether it's in print, Pierce said "those anointed after 1992 are not part of the Generation that will by no means pass away".
Well Pierce is a naughty boy. He hasn't stuck to the outline and is teaching his own point of view, even though he must have been in the minority when the vote was cast. This is not the first time this has happened.
And actually to take this a stage further....there will always be 'overlapping' generations in the Org's anointed as far as they know so they never need amend anything again
They are specific about it being two groups, the second group being contemporaries of the first, so they will have to change it eventually, but not in my lifetime.
There is nothing in the talk #48 outline to discount Lösch being part of the first group.
Don't be confused by the word anointed. Jesus didn't start inspecting all religions until 1914 according to their primary doctrine, so he wouldn't have been in the anointing business yet. Also there is nothing in the outline or the KoolAid mag. to suggest that a member the second group has to claim anointment before the first group dies off.
Because the current doctrine is that the second group only have to be contempories if the first, until the very last person born before October 1914 and claims anointment dies, the last of the second group may not even be born yet, so your yet to be born grandchild could be considered to be part of the second group as long as they announce that they are anointed before the last of the second group of anointed dies.
Easy innit?
Don't try to explain it to a dub. Make them explain it to you. Squeeze your Tickle Me Elmo every time they say something stoopid.
Cheers
Chris
I apologize in advance if this sounds confrontational --Don't mean it that way
Also there is nothing in the outline or the KoolAid mag. to suggest that a member the second group has to claim anointment before the first group dies off.
"He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation."
Overlap with the life of another "anointed one" is not the same as overlap with the life of someone who may be anointed someday. You cannot be an "anointed one" until you are actually anointed. The April 15th Watchtower is clear.
Was the speakers saying "this 2nd generation" is not of the anointed and will not serve in heaven?
No. He was simply saying that those anointed in the past 20 years are not part of THE generation that will by no means pass away before all these things occur.
Thank you for the clarification. :)
Who was an anointed one, according to WT doctrine, in 1914? before the selection process began?
You cannot be an "anointed one" until you are actually anointed. The April 15th Watchtower is clear.
I couldn't find that. Is this the bit you mean?
13 ...
Jesus’ anointed followers, both in the first
century and in our day, would be the ones
who would not only see the sign but also
discern its meaning—that Jesus “is near at
the doors.”
Note that the first group of anointed did not discern any such thing until over a decade after this supposed event. I am not aware of any current lite that claims that any of the early IBS were anointed at that time.
Chris
Hi Chris,
In JW theology, the heavenly calling commenced and the anointing began at Pentecost of 33 CE:
"Thus the ancient Festival of Booths pointed to the joyful ingathering of redeemed sinners into Jehovah's great spiritual temple. The antitype of this festival started at Pentecost in 33 C.E. with the commencement of the joyful ingathering of spiritual Israelites into the Christian congregation. (Acts 2:41, 46, 47) These anointed ones appreciated that they were "temporary residents" in Satan’s world because their real "citizenship exists in the heavens. (The Watchtower July 1, 1996 p. 24)
"While the Jews were celebrating the typical festival of weeks, or Pentecost, at Herod's temple in Jerusalem, about 120 disciples of the spiritual High Priest, Jesus Christ, were met together in an upper room in that city. Then, before the third hour of the day (9 a.m.), the Lord Jesus Christ poured down holy spirit from the Most Holy of Jehovah's spiritual temple. This resulted in their being spiritually begotten by their heavenly Father, Jehovah, and their being anointed with holy spirit by means of their High Priest, Jesus Christ. (The Watchtower February 15th 1980 p. 11)
JW theology teaches that there has been only this one calling from Pentecost up until the time of the end:
"At Pentecost of 33 C.E. the first of them were anointed with holy spirit. (Acts 2:1-4; 2 Cor. 1:21, 22) God's provision for salvation leading to immortal heavenly life was made known. Peter used "the keys of the kingdom of the heavens" to open up this knowledge: first to the Jews, next to the Samaritans, and then to people of the Gentile nations. (Matt. 16:19) Special attention was being given to making up the government that would rule mankind for 1,000 years, and nearly all the inspired letters in the Christian Greek Scriptures are primarily directed to this group of Kingdom heirs—"the holy ones," "partakers of the heavenly calling."
Their being called to heavenly life was not because they were somehow better than all the servants of God who had died before Pentecost of 33 C.E. (Matt. 11:11) Rather, Jehovah now had begun to select those who would be associate rulers with Jesus Christ. For some 19 centuries after this there was only one calling, the heavenly one. It was an undeserved kindness that God bestowed on a limited number in furtherance of his own wise and loving purposes." (United In Worship p. 111)
The doctrine of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" in its present form cannot exist without the two ideas above, because it holds that the "Slave class" has fed itself in an unbroken chain since its inception
"The situation may be compared to that of the faithful and discreet slave that gives food to the domestics at the proper time. (Matthew 24:45) The slave as a body is responsible for supplying the food, but the domestics, the individual members of that body, are sustained by partaking of that spiritual provision. They are the same group but described in different terms—collectively and individually." (Revelation Climax p. 201)
"Apparently one generation of the "Slave" class fed the next succeeding generatio thereof" (God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years p. 344)
"Down through the years the slavelike congregation has been feeding its true members faithfully and discreetly. From Pentecost, A.D. 33, up to this very present hour this has been lovingly and carefully performed." (The Watchtower July 15, 1960 p. 435)
