Legal action against the Pope?

by behemot 15 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • behemot
    behemot

    Richard Dawkins planning to have Pope Benedict arrested over 'crimes against humanity'

    Richard Dawkins, the atheist campaigner and evolutionist, is planning to have Pope Benedict XVI arrested when he comes to Britain later this year for "crimes against humanity".

    Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the atheist author, are seeking advice from human rights lawyers as to what legal action can be taken against the pope over his alleged cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church.

    It emerged this weekend that in 1985 when he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which deals with sex abuse cases, the pope signed a letter arguing that the “good of the universal church” should be considered against the defrocking of an American priest who committed sex offences against two boys.

    Dawkin and Hitchens believe he should face criminal proceedings because his "first instinct" was to protect the church rather than the children in its care.

    They are hoping to exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, on a Spanish warrant when he visited Britain in 1998.

    The Pope will be visit London, Glasgow and Coventry, during his time in the UK between September 16 and 19.

    “This is a man whose first instinct when his priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and damn the young victims to silence," Dawkins, who wrote The God Delusion, said.

    “This man is not above or outside the law. The institutionalised concealment of child rape is a crime under any law and demands not private ceremonies of repentance or church-funded payoffs, but justice and punishment," Hitchens, author of God Is Not Great, said.

    Their lawyers, barrister Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens, a solicitor, believe they can ask the Crown prosecution Service and that Pope Benedict will not be able to claim diplomatic immunity since he is not the head of a state recognised by the United Nations.

    “There is every possibility of legal action against the Pope occurring,” said Stephens. “Geoffrey and I have both come to the view that the Vatican is not actually a state in international law. It is not recognised by the UN, it does not have borders that are policed and its relations are not of a full diplomatic nature.”

    source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7578024/Richard-Dawkins-planning-to-have-Pope-Benedict-arrested-over-crimes-against-humanity.html

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    that Pope Benedict will not be able to claim diplomatic immunity since he is not the head of a state recognised by the United Nations.

    Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha…… Great!!!!

  • maputo95
    maputo95

    Let Atheistic self-promotors, Dawkins and Hitchins extend their witchhunt to the leader of 1 billion souls. Arrest a head of state and let them reap the civil unrest which will follow world-wide. They should grow up and get lives

  • behemot
    behemot

    Broken Promises: the pope's immunity is indeed questionable and can be legally challenged (although at the moment the whole matter sounds like little more than an academic discussion bordering to political fiction):

    "Lawyers are divided over the immunity issue. Some argue that the Vatican isn't a true state, while others note the Vatican has national relations with about 170 countries, including Britain. The Vatican is also the only non-member to have permanent observer status at the U.N."

    source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/05/world/main6364441.shtml

    "Vatican City is currently the only sovereign state with general international recognition that is not a UN member (the Holy See, which holds sovereignty over the state of Vatican City and maintains diplomatic relations with other states, is a UN permanent observer)."

    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_member_states

    Behemot

  • Judge Dread
    Judge Dread

    They will be found dead under "mysterious" circumstances.

    Judge Dread

  • wobble
    wobble

    What hanging under Blackfriairs Bridge ?

    The Vatican state was created by the Fascist power in Italy under Mussolini , it has never been formerly recognised by Britain as other states have, despite our having limited diplomatic relations with it. It is not a member of the U.N as has been stated.

    I think there is a good chance that the legal case for the Pope to face the International Court is sound.

    I would put money on him wriggling out some how, and I do not believe a case will come to Court.

    The same criteria for building a case against the Pope applies to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, I believe we have a better chance of getting them before the Court than the Pope.

    Wobble

  • John Doe
    John Doe
    Let Atheistic self-promotors, Dawkins and Hitchins extend their witchhunt to the leader of 1 billion souls. Arrest a head of state and let them reap the civil unrest which will follow world-wide. They should grow up and get lives

    What does this have to do with the willful sexual abuse of children, the pertinent issue here?

  • behemot
    behemot
    "The only person who can fire him is God," said the Rev. Thomas Doyle, who worked at the Vatican embassy in Washington, D.C.

    source: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/03/vaticanclerical_abuse_update.html

    ... if it's so, I wouldn't hold my breath ...

    An interesting comment from a Catholic concerning the pope claiming immunity:

    Interesting how Jesus Christ did not have immunity, but here the pope is entitled to immunity. This is one of the saddest moments in my life as a Catholic believer! Shame on the Church.

    source: http://www.ecanadanow.com/world/2010/04/02/the-vatican-declares-that-the-pope-has-diplomatic-immunity/

  • CrimsonAshes
    CrimsonAshes

    But Robertson is a UN Judge. Doesn't this mean it's the UN wanting the Pope arrested as well? Start of the Great Tribulation?

  • wobble
    wobble

    I see that Dawkins and Hitchins are thinking that a prosecution under U.K law may be viable.

    I wonder if we have sufficient evidence to interest them in at least publicising the WT's similar guilt here in the U.K ?

    Wobble

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