My last meeting as an elder (page 3)

ianao

nytelecom1: You are obviously a very bitter person. You do not uplift others and you offer nothing but negativity. I pitty you dispite my better judgement.

Farkel

: you antis area as predictable as my next bowel movement

Which also neatly defines what you write.

Farkel

"When in doubt, duck!"

AlanF

My, my, nytelecom: you're stupid even for a Dub. But not really.

You ignore the most reasonable comments, like those of Marvin Shilmer who patiently explains to you what JT meant. You limit yourself to jumping on those who point out your stupidity.

Really though, this isn't normal stupidity. This is the kind of deliberate stupidity that a mind in inner turmoil displays in order to avoid making a decision. What decision? In your case, to quit the Dubs. It's tied up with the "protective stupidity" that George Orwell described as a hallmark of doublethink in his novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.

You're already 90% of the way out, nytelecom. You obviously prefer the online company of "apostates" to that of your oh-so-boring fellows. Proof? Do you enjoy the infantile discussions on WOL or GreatCrowd? Of course not. You're not that stupid. You don't even believe more than half of what the Dubs teach.

Your problem is that you don't know how to let go. You probably have a lot of family that would cut you off if you quit. You're afraid of losing them.

Well I've got news: eventually you're going to have to make a decision. Your obvious bitterness will eat you up, to the point where you'll be physically ill after every meeting -- if you're not already. Then you'll be in the same boat as Lee Elder, JT and so many other former Dubs were at one time. Finally some little straw will break the camel's back, and you'll wonder why you didn't see it long before. And you'll realize that that's the nature of mind control.

I hope for your sake that you don't get too ill before you make up your mind.

AlanF

LittleToe

Funny thing is that "apostates" are branded as unloving and "tearing down".
Ny and Fred will make excellent stereotypical apostates when they are DF'ed.

Lee: Your post struck more than a few chords with any who've served on a body. The ones who try hard to do what is "right" are worn down, worn out, and kicked off (if they don't leave first).
As one worn out, worn down, old boot, my time is nearly up.
Know anywhere that does re-souling?

Athanasius: The balance of power remains just where it always did, in the hands of the hardliners.
I've got a momentary pang of sorrow for some of those that I'll be leaving behind on that battle scarred hilltop, but that's their decision to remain in the battle.

Those who follow the two laws in preference to the flock book are gonners, one way or another. It's just a matter of time.

waiting

Wellllll, being a woman, I can only imagine what y'all are talking about. No theocratic power in any woman - ever, eh?

But I did know a good elder.....my father in law. He served so far back that there were only 3 brothers - so he gave a lot of talks. He gave his best land to the cong. to build their first KH, the only road frontage he owned for the back acres he kept. Cong. used it for 50 years - taking more land for parking, also taking his driveway - even trying to sell that to the new buyers.

He kept the Accounts - and when it came up short, the PO made sure that Ed came up with the difference. After all, since he was the account servant, it was his fault they didn't have enough to cover expenses - not the people contributing.

And when the cong. sold the KH and land to build a new and better one? The elders handed Ed (80, poor, and long retired from factory work) the check for $230,000 and told him to deposit it in the bank for them - as Accounts Servant. He did just so.

The bastards never even said thanks for the land, let alone any compensation.

He died six months later out in the field with his dog of massive heart attack. After the initial sympathy calls, the elders told several brothers to not call on his 80 year old widow "let her own family take care of her." When his widow asked about any compensation for the land the congregation made well over a $150,000 on, one elder leaned over the table, poking his finger as he asked "Ed and you gave that land to Jehovah, did you not?" "Yes," she answered. "Then there's nothing to talk about."

I was there, and I remember her backing down - for there really wasn't anything she could legally do. But she still attends meetings because that's where she belongs - and she tells us that continuously.

waiting

Nowfree

Waiting:

That is a really sad story about your father in law. The "moneygrabbing" attitude of the Witnesses is awful. What makes it worse is that his widow still feels obliged to attend the Kingdom Hall. Legally she probably doesn't have any claim on compensation, but morally??

And you're right. Us sisters never did have any authority in the congregation. That is why I used EVERY opportunity to pick up our precious Elders when they used to say and do stupid things!! Which was very frequently. Most of them were uneducated as they had spent the best part of the lives cleaning windows just to be out in "Jehovah's Service" - so they were sitting targets really.

I haven't heard from any of them in over a year - not even to disfellowship me - can't think why??!!

Nowfree

waiting

Hello Nowfree,

Nice to meet you. My f-i-l was truly "the old-fashioned gentleman" - and a poor country farmer at heart. My m-i-l is still faithfully attending - and cries on my husband's shoulder as to how bad Ed will feel when he's resurrected - and his oldest son didn't make it.

As for the remaining elders? Not a decent man among them, and most in the congregation will gladly whisper it among themselves. But what can a brother do? "It's Jehovah's organization. They're just imperfect men. Wait on Jehovah. Go to meetings." We are the Champion Trite JW Sayers in this area, btw.

I'm glad to meet another outspoken x-sister. I only spoke up during the meetings, and I found out a long time ago (in written Watchtower), that if I quoted the WTBTS, I could correct a brother. As in, after an ignorant manly comment, "Well, elder conductor, the Watchtower says, paragraph 12, line 5, in the middle of the sentence..........." Usually the conductor, would nod, cough, and say "thank you, sister."

I told another sister that a brother could be corrected that way, according to the Society, and it was ok. She said it wasn't. I said "Well, I haven't been corrected," and she said it was because the elders didn't like me, so there (we were friends.)

In other words, if a sister is to be liked by the elders - don't correct brothers, even when they make dead stupid comments.

waiting

teejay

What a pathetic little story, Waiting. Why does it ring so true?

Sounds just like Jehovah's Witnesses.

Just another religion.

peace,
tj

Judith

I was told by my father and my husband that women were good for only three things. l. sex 2. having babies 3. taking care of a man.
Gees! No wonder the JW religion appealed to me. It was so familiar.

JBB

Lee Elder

Neonmadman wrote:

"Now, in theory, you elders should have been able to form a judicial committee and either
reprove or disfellowship the CO because of his lying and slander. But it would never have
worked, because the Watchtower doesn't even follow its own rules, much less the ones
in the Bible."

Very difficult to take any action against a C.O. unless there is direct evidence of apostacy
or porneia. I've been down this road w/a C.O. who was a vile, racist, woman hater. I turned
up the burners as high as possible. The best I could muster was an investigation by the
D.O. that led to a public apology.

If these guys are good "society" men, they can get away with a great deal. That is a fact.

Lee

My last meeting as an elder

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